Sarevok
Civ3 Scenario Creator
ill be taking that chinese boat unit. Very good!
Battlefield Asia Unit Pack
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aaglo
Furioso!
Hey!
That sampan has a visible sinking animation!
So, I'm not the only one doing that
That sampan has a visible sinking animation!
So, I'm not the only one doing that
Dann
Green bug
I'll be taking everything. And waiting for the rest.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
tjedge1
Writer of writerly things
These units are great. Keep up the good work. 
These units are excellent, I only have two suggestions for your future works. make the feet a little bit bigger. They will fit in better with the other Civ units, and will help to prevent the units from looking like they are running around on pins. And second, for the units_32, the firaxis convention is to use a frame from the default animation, generally the first frame though not always. This allows for a larger units_32, whereas often times an action pose can create a much smaller icon.
ShiroKobbure
Still modding Civ3
I think make them a little smaller too, They are taller than the other units
alireza1354
Emperor
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Huns are no Turks. They are a Tatar tribe.
Turks do not exist. The name "Turk", wasn't used in history to denote a people, untill Ataturk and his republic.
And don't come up with the story of the "tu-kyu", thats too far fetched.
Turks do not exist. The name "Turk", wasn't used in history to denote a people, untill Ataturk and his republic.
And don't come up with the story of the "tu-kyu", thats too far fetched.
It's controversial, at least in terms of modern historiography, which does indeed tend to distinguish between Hun, Turk, and Mongol, with the Huns arriving first on the (oh, Eurocentrism!
) European scene by the very early 5th century CE, with their European and Central Asian territories being divided between the Avar Khanate and the Turkish Khanate by the mid-6th century. A mixing of peoples is almost certainly implied, with the Patzinak Turks and the Ghuzz Turks (and here is one place where I see your argument making sense, with "Turk" being a loosely used term) by the late 9th century, although AFAIK the term was in use by the time of the Seljuk Sultanate in the 11th century. (The Mongols, of course, are indeed a different and later story, erupting on the -- again, European -- scene in the 13th century.)-Oz
Dom Pedro II
Modder For Life
Well, I think that albeit the Huns are not strictly Mongols, they also are not right for the Ottomans in the game. There is no Hunnic civilization, so I think that a "Hun" unit for the Mongols is not entirely inappropriate. However, there is nothing that excludes this unit from being used as a "Mongol Infantry" or whatever one might choose to call it... the name is up to you. I merely supply the graphic
Originally posted by Dom Pedro II
... the name is up to you. I merely supply the graphic
And you supply them beautifully
-Oz
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In any case the Huns were mongolic people. I have once read the Koreans could be descendants of an eastern Hun tribe.
I'm not sure about Turks, but I think in Germany the word Turk (Türke) was already used in the times of the first siege of Vienna by the Ottomans (16th century). For certain I know, in the 18th century Ottomans were termed as Turks!
Daniel Khan
Bail Baby Bail
Very Beautiful units indeed. Indeed, the Far Eastern civs are well represented on the boards.
Mongoloid Cow
Great Khan
For the sake of simplicity, you could call it an 'Ancient Mongolosiberic Swordsman' and end the argument now (over-simplified)...
Hun: Atilla's people. Supposedly the remnants of the Northern Xiong-Nu after fleeing westwards.
Mongol People descended from Xian-Bei, filled the void after the collapse of the Second Turkish Khaganate.
Turk (meaning Strong) People who first appeared in the 5th Century after the collapse of the Southern Xiong-Nu. Rebelled and defeated against the Juan Juan who filled the void, they created an empire spanning from Poland to Korea and assimilated most tribes in their wake.
Xian-Bei The great enemy of the Xiong-Nu on the steppes. Became the Mongols after a brief disappearance from history after the rise of the Turks.
Xiong-Nu (meaning Slave People or something similar IIRC)The Huns when they were in Mongolia.
Hun: Atilla's people. Supposedly the remnants of the Northern Xiong-Nu after fleeing westwards.
Mongol People descended from Xian-Bei, filled the void after the collapse of the Second Turkish Khaganate.
Turk (meaning Strong) People who first appeared in the 5th Century after the collapse of the Southern Xiong-Nu. Rebelled and defeated against the Juan Juan who filled the void, they created an empire spanning from Poland to Korea and assimilated most tribes in their wake.
Xian-Bei The great enemy of the Xiong-Nu on the steppes. Became the Mongols after a brief disappearance from history after the rise of the Turks.
Xiong-Nu (meaning Slave People or something similar IIRC)The Huns when they were in Mongolia.
nonnob3
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I really got to admit that Dom Pedro does an excellent job in creating these units.
And a gift of appreciation from me:
The attack sound and suggested sounds for the ini file.
I have created the attack sound,
Keep up the nice work Dom Pedro
And a gift of appreciation from me:
The attack sound and suggested sounds for the ini file.
I have created the attack sound,
Keep up the nice work Dom Pedro
god_money
Prince
Nice to see ya lurking nonob.
Got yer sounds!
ROXOR!!!
Got yer sounds!
ROXOR!!!
@Mobilize: I'm pretty sure they have civ colors, but the problem is, that they don't show that much. They are too small to see.
@Everyone:
Ok, I guess there are certain confusions that I have caused, so let me clear things up. Keep in mind, that I'm not claiming any of these out of national pride, but are cumulative knowledge from everything that I have read about the history of the Central-Asian tribes.
First of all, the term Turk should not be confused. It:
a) refers to a group of tribes (hence, the name for the utopic unified Turkish states, Turan),
b) refers to the Anatolian descendants of the Central-Asian tribes.
A term does not come into existence out of nothing. It is true, that nationalist movements in Turkey have started during late 19th century, but the term Turk always existed in Anatolia to define the specific people speaking Turkish. A common identity was in place, and the distinction between a Turk (most heavily populated tribe in Anatolia during the Ottoman era), a Jew, an Armenian, a Slav (Bosniak, Serb, Croat), a Greek, an Albanian, a Persian and an Arab were obvious. The term Kurd, however, was not that common, and they were usually referred to as the "mountain Turks", which is indeed a politically incorrect way to put it. They are, on the other hand, relatives of the Persians, as their language is Indo-European.
The descendants were born in the Ural-Altai region. The initial split between them happened during the first Hun Empire. The Ural migrated to Finland. Therefore, the Fins are actually Uralic people. The Altaic people split, too, becoming the Tunguz, Mogol and Turks. The Tunguz migrated to Siberia, and the Mongol went to far eastern Asian steppes, crossing the Gobi desert.
The other half of the Ural people did not migrate to Europe until the Hun Empire split.
The Huns, which were initially formed in Central Asia, were referred to as the Xiong Nu by the Chinese; it's no way a word from the Ural-Altai language group. The Huns consisted both of Uralic and Altaic people, but mostly Altaic.
They were not referred to as Turks back then, but were distinctly different from the Mongols, as I have said before. Yet again, they were rivals to each other, although common raids to China by both these tribes are known.
After the split of the Huns, one half remained in Central Asia, whereas the other half, in the leadership of Atilla (Attila), invaded Europe, causing the great migrations. They mostly settled in the Hungarian region, bringing the other half of the Uralic people with them. However, among them were also Altaic people.
The ones who remained in Central Asia, however, evolved into the Turks. The term Turk was commonly used in Central-Asia, as the first nation to be born with the name Turk were the Blue Turks (modern Anatolian Turkish: Gokturk, ancient Turkish; Kokturk, even referred to as Kokturuk; all meaning "Sky Turks", since their gods (goktanri, koktengri) was the sky). I am referring to a time period of around 8th-9th century.
Several of them went to eastern China, forming the Uyghur tribe. After the fall of the Blue Turks, couple of more Turkish states came into existence, but the most distinctive thing was the great split among the Turkish tribes.
The Turks split in such a way, that there were brand new sub-tribes, all with extremely similar languages, but settled/invaded different regions. Kirghiz, Khazak, Uzbek, Ghuzz (Oguz), Altai, Tatar are some of them. They are in no way Mongols, though.
The term Altaic and Altai might cause some confusions here, too. Altaic refers to the people from the Altai tribes (Tunguz, Mongol, Turks), whereas the initial split between the Altaic people happened well before.
The Ghuzz then formed the Great Seljuks, following came the Anatolian Seljuks, the Ottomans, and at last, Turkey. Hence, I'd like to remind people that there's a country called Turkmenistan, where the Great Seljuks were first established.
A better and more detailed break-down of the Turkic Tribes:
akhun (eftalit, white hun)
avar (juan) (first turkic tribe to siege constantinople)
hazar (caspian) (converted mostly to judaism)
sibir
kirghiz (uzbek and khazak are descendants of them actually)
turgish
karluk (first to accept islam)
bulgar (have become slavic people, but there are still bulgars in eastern russia, who have kept their identities)
magyar (european huns)
oguz (uz, ghuzz) (largest turkic tribe with many smaller clans)
kipcak (kept their identities, although most converted to christianity and have inherited slavic physical appearances)
pecenek
baskirt
kimek
Here's something I've prepared to end the confusion:
@Everyone:
Ok, I guess there are certain confusions that I have caused, so let me clear things up. Keep in mind, that I'm not claiming any of these out of national pride, but are cumulative knowledge from everything that I have read about the history of the Central-Asian tribes.
First of all, the term Turk should not be confused. It:
a) refers to a group of tribes (hence, the name for the utopic unified Turkish states, Turan),
b) refers to the Anatolian descendants of the Central-Asian tribes.
A term does not come into existence out of nothing. It is true, that nationalist movements in Turkey have started during late 19th century, but the term Turk always existed in Anatolia to define the specific people speaking Turkish. A common identity was in place, and the distinction between a Turk (most heavily populated tribe in Anatolia during the Ottoman era), a Jew, an Armenian, a Slav (Bosniak, Serb, Croat), a Greek, an Albanian, a Persian and an Arab were obvious. The term Kurd, however, was not that common, and they were usually referred to as the "mountain Turks", which is indeed a politically incorrect way to put it. They are, on the other hand, relatives of the Persians, as their language is Indo-European.
The descendants were born in the Ural-Altai region. The initial split between them happened during the first Hun Empire. The Ural migrated to Finland. Therefore, the Fins are actually Uralic people. The Altaic people split, too, becoming the Tunguz, Mogol and Turks. The Tunguz migrated to Siberia, and the Mongol went to far eastern Asian steppes, crossing the Gobi desert.
The other half of the Ural people did not migrate to Europe until the Hun Empire split.
The Huns, which were initially formed in Central Asia, were referred to as the Xiong Nu by the Chinese; it's no way a word from the Ural-Altai language group. The Huns consisted both of Uralic and Altaic people, but mostly Altaic.
They were not referred to as Turks back then, but were distinctly different from the Mongols, as I have said before. Yet again, they were rivals to each other, although common raids to China by both these tribes are known.
After the split of the Huns, one half remained in Central Asia, whereas the other half, in the leadership of Atilla (Attila), invaded Europe, causing the great migrations. They mostly settled in the Hungarian region, bringing the other half of the Uralic people with them. However, among them were also Altaic people.
The ones who remained in Central Asia, however, evolved into the Turks. The term Turk was commonly used in Central-Asia, as the first nation to be born with the name Turk were the Blue Turks (modern Anatolian Turkish: Gokturk, ancient Turkish; Kokturk, even referred to as Kokturuk; all meaning "Sky Turks", since their gods (goktanri, koktengri) was the sky). I am referring to a time period of around 8th-9th century.
Several of them went to eastern China, forming the Uyghur tribe. After the fall of the Blue Turks, couple of more Turkish states came into existence, but the most distinctive thing was the great split among the Turkish tribes.
The Turks split in such a way, that there were brand new sub-tribes, all with extremely similar languages, but settled/invaded different regions. Kirghiz, Khazak, Uzbek, Ghuzz (Oguz), Altai, Tatar are some of them. They are in no way Mongols, though.
The term Altaic and Altai might cause some confusions here, too. Altaic refers to the people from the Altai tribes (Tunguz, Mongol, Turks), whereas the initial split between the Altaic people happened well before.
The Ghuzz then formed the Great Seljuks, following came the Anatolian Seljuks, the Ottomans, and at last, Turkey. Hence, I'd like to remind people that there's a country called Turkmenistan, where the Great Seljuks were first established.
A better and more detailed break-down of the Turkic Tribes:
akhun (eftalit, white hun)
avar (juan) (first turkic tribe to siege constantinople)
hazar (caspian) (converted mostly to judaism)
sibir
kirghiz (uzbek and khazak are descendants of them actually)
turgish
karluk (first to accept islam)
bulgar (have become slavic people, but there are still bulgars in eastern russia, who have kept their identities)
magyar (european huns)
oguz (uz, ghuzz) (largest turkic tribe with many smaller clans)
kipcak (kept their identities, although most converted to christianity and have inherited slavic physical appearances)
pecenek
baskirt
kimek
Here's something I've prepared to end the confusion:
Attachments
nonnob3
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Another gift.... Hun sounds
Happy Civing.................
Happy Civing.................
