BBC changing history

[Arakhor]

If you can find a British person of Afro-Caribbean ethnicity to pose that question, I'll answer it.

(Hell, I'll settle for any other British tax-payer if you're desperate.)

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Well, you can, but given that I mentioned that said views (not their espousers) were racist and I didn't specify any names, that would be rather silly.

But throwing arround unspecified accusations isnt?

@Mechanicalsalvation
Correct. These people don't know the first thing about history anyway.

So on the strenght of your knowledge of history black Roman army commander in Britain would be somewhat typical?

 

[Arakhor]

But throwing arround unspecified accusations isnt?

It's no sillier than the entire pretext of this thread, which is an American getting upset on British people's behalf that a BBC video features a black person in Roman Britain, allegedly because this wasn't a typical family.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

If you can find a British person of Afro-Caribbean ethnicity to pose that question, I'll answer it.

(Hell, I'll settle for any other British tax-payer if you're desperate.)

Why do you keep discussing the issue from the point of ideology and not history? No wonder you see racist behind every corner. Or is historical research somewhat dependent on ideology?

It's no sillier than the entire pretext of this thread, which is an American getting upset on British people's behalf that a BBC video features a black person in Roman Britain, allegedly because this wasn't a typical family.

Wait BBC being inaccurate or outright misguiding isnt worth mentioning? Where is your concern for the taxpayers now? Are you one of those who think ideology is above truth?

 

[Arakhor]

Why do you keep discussing the issue from the point of ideology and not history?

You are welcome to go and read all my other posts in this thread dealing with the video's historicity (and accuracy). But since you asked, if people are going to get outraged ostensibly on my behalf, I'd rather discuss such cultural appropriation with people of my culture. You know what I mean?

No wonder you see racist behind every corner?

Now who's throwing around silly accusations for no reason?

 

[Lexicus]

So on the strenght of your knowledge of history black Roman army commander in Britain would be somewhat typical?

I haven't the foggiest idea, all I know is that racists in general tend to be incredibly historically ignorant, and I know from experience that the racist who started this thread in particular is mind-bogglingly ignorant of history, so I know that historical accuracy is no concern of theirs.

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[Mechanicalsalvation]

You are welcome to go and read all my other posts in this thread dealing with the video's historicity (and accuracy). But since you asked, if people are going to get outraged ostensibly on my behalf, I'd rather discuss such cultural appropriation with people of my culture. You know what I mean?

That would be perhaps justified if BBCs influence was limited to few islands in the North sea...

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

I haven't the foggiest idea, all I know is that racists in general tend to be incredibly historically ignorant, and I know from experience that the racist who started this thread in particular is mind-bogglingly ignorant of history, so I know that historical accuracy is no concern of theirs.

So you dont feel qualified to discuss the topic in its historical perspective but you feel qualified to judge others on that plus on their motives? Lol.

 

[Arakhor]

So you dont feel qualified to discuss the topic in its historical perspective but you feel qualified to judge others on that plus on their motives? Lol.

You appear to be committing exactly the same mistake.

 

[Lexicus]

You appear to be committing exactly the same mistake.

I fail to see how it's a mistake. I don't need to know the ethnic composition of Roman Britain to know that the complaints about this BBC video are about racism and not historical accuracy.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

I fail to see how it's a mistake. I don't need to know the ethnic composition of Roman Britain to know that the complaints about this BBC video are about racism and not historical accuracy.

So anybody who is in fact interested in historicity is a racist to you. And all that you have concluded on the strenght of your non-knowledge. Interesting.

 

[Arakhor]

So anybody who is in fact interested in historicity...

Your posts in this thread do not suggest that you are interested in such.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Now who's throwing around silly accusations for no reason?

I have given you my reasoning. You are not discussing the topic as an historic issue and you are helplessly unspecific in the ideology department as well.

You appear to be committing exactly the same mistake.

If you guys dont want to engage in discussing the topic but are throwing around ideological beforehand made accusations I frankly fail to see what other conclusion I am suppose to make...

Your posts in this thread do not suggest that you are interested in such.

I am interested both in the ideology and the historicity but I dont have a partners for the discussion...

 

[Arakhor]

I am interested both in the ideology and the historicity but I dont have a partners for the duscussion...

Allow me to refer you to posts 33, 35, 37 and 39 for my historical comments. Feel free to engage those if you are interested in history.

 

[Borachio]

If there was a South African kid's educational cartoon which depicted ancient Zulus as white, and black South Africans were upset about it, would you call them racist?

That's a very strange question to ask.

What does it mean?

And why does Mr Arakhor want a black carribean person from the UK to ask it?

I can see you're transposing white for black and vice versa of course.

But the only people who seem upset about the depiction of black Romans in a cartoon don't seem to come from the UK.

So in your transposition it would have to be Haitians or someone. Not black South Africans.

It makes no sense to me.

Explain it to me, please.

And besides you're completely ignoring the historical situation of black people in the UK for the last 70 years.

Which is mostly what the BBC is trying (and maybe not yet succeeding) to address.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Can we stop accusing other posters of being "racists" please?

The correct term is "Nazis".

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[Arakhor]

And why does Mr Arakhor want a black carribean person from the UK to ask it?

My comment made more sense at the time than it does now. Basically, the black commander is never stated as being British or even European, so the entire point behind the complaint is useless.

Plus, if he's going to complain about cultural appropriation/cultural whitewashing, it would sound much less risible coming from a member of the affected culture.

 

[Borachio]

Yes. Fair enough. I can see that.

I should try to think more before I post.

It's still a strange question to my mind.

I mean, the Zulu thing.

It wasn't nice in reality. Never mind transposed into white and black South Africans. Whatever. I can't get my head round it somehow.

What? Just, what?

 

[civver_764]

If you can find a British person of Afro-Caribbean ethnicity to pose that question, I'll answer it.

(Hell, I'll settle for any other British tax-payer if you're desperate.)

What a cop out. People discuss other countries all the time here.

You seem determined to make this about me, rather than about the BBC cartoon. This thread is not about me, I just wanted to see what people thought about it. My background has nothing to do with the BBC video.

But if it really matters to you that much, I do have some British heritage.

There's an interesting discussion to be had here about this apparent double standard. If you don't want to address it that's fine, but these deflection tactics are just dumb.

@Lexicus I'm sure you're already aware but calling something 'racist' is, in fact, not an argument.

That's a very strange question to ask.

What does it mean?

And why does Mr Arakhor want a black carribean person from the UK to ask it?

I can see you're transposing white for black and vice versa of course.

But the only people who seem upset about the depiction of black Romans in a cartoon don't seem to come from the UK.

So in your transposition it would have to be Haitians or someone. Not black South Africans.

It makes no sense to me.

Explain it to me, please.

And besides you're completely ignoring the historical situation of black people in the UK for the last 70 years.

Which is mostly what the BBC is trying (and maybe not yet succeeding) to address.

Ok sure, we can change 'black south africans' in my question to 'any person of African descent.' Or really, anybody, because white liberals are known to get upset about that sort of thing.

Also I originally heard about this from a British person, for what it's worth.

 

[Lexicus]

This thread is not about me, I just wanted to see what people thought about it.

No, you wanted to cast aspersions on BBC by implying they're part of a malevolent conspiracy against the white race.