Beggars and hangers on

Kyriakos

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Sadly this is not about that song by Slash and his crew.

It is a thread about beggars, and what impression they make to the posters here.

My family used to be quite rich in the past, and i had in my childhood years a number of fears of very poor people (mostly thinking they would aspire to retaliate for their state, and so on).
Later on my view changed to sympathy. In the end- now- i see beggars as a sad effect of a cruel society.

By the above i do not mean, obviously, that i idealise them. I am sure many (most?) of the beggars are by now hardened to the point of being hateful themselves anyway. Lack of any basic living level will do that, moreso if it starts in childhood.

I am sad that so many people are begging, in most countries. I give them coins, when i can, at least once for each seperate person. This morning i was out for a walk and upon returning to my own place i heard a woman begging someone else who just walked in front of me. Her voice made me feel very bad. I disappeared for a moment behind a wall, and decided to return and give her three coins (merely 20 euro cent, which obviously is next to no help). I also wished her to continue in a better state, and smiled momentarily, then waved and left.

I kept thinking how horrible this world has become. Prior to listening to the wounded voice of that woman, i was involved in imagining a very different female form, one of beauty, of someone i know a bit. After her voice i stopped feeling like focusing on this again during that walk. I will, in the future, return to pleasant thoughts, but it is still quite unfair that there exists such misery.
 
imo if beggars want food/money etc they should just get a job. if nobody in their town is hiring, just buy a greyhound ticket and move.
 
I simply don't trust strangers who hit me up for money. There's no way of verifying their stories. Much as I'd like to help those in need, I have no way of knowing whether they're cons or not.
 
My local beggar known as King James always had a reason why he needed cash. I never gave him cash since it would end up in his crack pipe but always bought him food or granola bars. There's a YouTube video about a couple that makes a backpack for the homeless for $20. I liked that idea best.
 
My home city always had many beggars, so I was always used to them and never afraid or anything (beggars are harmless).

I'll give money to the crippled ones, not to any other group. In Rio it's specially important to not give money to "mothers" and their babies, because there is actually a baby-renting business going on among the homeless.

I typically don't give money to beggars when abroad, unless the country is poorer than Brazil or it's a special situation (like I always end up giving money to those who politely approach me asking for money for the bus. This happens all the time here in Houston, I know I'm being made a fool of but if they were actually speaking the truth it'd be very nasty of me to not give a couple dollars, so I do).
 
What if they don't have money for a greyhound ticket?

They've got two perfectly good legs. If they don't have legs, they can crawl. If they don't have arms, they can hop. There are always options. It is only our liberal democratic "entitlement" culture that has bred a nation of wusses who refuse to take responsibility for their own lives.
 
I'm able to give more by making tax deductible donations to registered charities, which beggars aren't.

I've never understood this. Why are charitable donations tax deductible?

In the UK, it works slightly differently. Usually. (But I think the same sort of argument will apply to tax deductible donations.) If you make a charitable donation and tick a box indicating that you're a UK tax payer, the charity can claim 15% (?) of your donation from the government.

But why is this?

Assuming for the moment that the government does not waste any of the tax returns it gets. Then, when all charities claim their 15%, the government is contractually obliged to find the money. But where does it find it? Does it divert money from other expenditure (in which case some worthy cause is going "hungry"), or does it increase the revenue it receives; mostly from tax payers?

I don't tick the box, on the principle that I'd like to fondly assume that all government expenditure is already efficiently spoken for. If I want to increase my donation by 15%, then I'll staightforwardly increase my donation by 15%.

Am I deluded?
 
I've never understood this. Why are charitable donations tax deductible?

In the UK, it works slightly differently. Usually. (But I think the same sort of argument will apply to tax deductible donations.) If you make a charitable donation and tick a box indicating that you're a UK tax payer, the charity can claim 15% (?) of your donation from the government.

But why is this?

Assuming for the moment that the government does not waste any of the tax returns it gets. Then, when all charities claim their 15%, the government is contractually obliged to find the money. But where does it find it? Does it divert money from other expenditure (in which case some worthy cause is going "hungry"), or does it increase the revenue it receives; mostly from tax payers?

I don't tick the box, on the principle that I'd like to fondly assume that all government expenditure is already efficiently spoken for. If I want to increase my donation by 15%, then I'll staightforwardly increase my donation by 15%.

Am I deluded?

As you somewhat implied, the principle of tax-deductible charity donation is indeed (in part) the assumption that charities, because of their smaller and less bureaucratic structures, can spend the aid money more efficiently than the government.

The second principle is allowing you to choose, at least to some extent, where your money is going.

Note that being tax-deductible does not mean it's "free", at least in Brazil. Your taxable income gets smaller, but that only means you get a "discount" on your donation the size of your tax bracket (in the Brazilian case, usually 27.5%). So you're still paying the other 72.5% of the donation in full.
 
In the US, for the most part, charitable deductions can be deducted from taxable income. One of the many ways our government uses the tax structure to increase certain actions (interest on home mortages also deductible - increases home ownership, or governments give tax breaks to businesses to come into areas to stimulate business growth).

Years ago, I made a decision to give something to someone who is asking - more than once I am sure I have been taken advantage of, but more than once I know I made a real difference. There used to be a guitar player who played blues outside the stadium where the New York Mets played baseball. He always was polite, was a decent musician, and would do things like play and sing nursery rhymes in a blues style when children came by. His equipment was literally held together with tape. Several times I brought him things like spare guitar cords/strings. I had extra laying around, and this way he had better stuff that he needed.
 
I kept thinking how horrible this world has become.

Were there not beggars in historical times or what? What is your point of comparison here?
 
When I was in Ohrid once a beggar asked me for money.
I replied in Macedonian asking for money from the beggar.
The beggar was so surprised that they gave me about £5.
 
In Rio it's specially important to not give money to "mothers" and their babies, because there is actually a baby-renting business going on among the homeless.
Yes, indeed. Also, it's tiresome to see generations of people whose parents and grandparents are beggars, and whose children will be so as well, simply because begging can make them more money than a job.
When I was in Ohrid once a beggar asked me for money.
I replied in Macedonian asking for money from the beggar.
The beggar was so surprised that they gave me about £5.
Kudos, doc!
 
They've got two perfectly good legs. If they don't have legs, they can crawl. If they don't have arms, they can hop. There are always options. It is only our liberal democratic "entitlement" culture that has bred a nation of wusses who refuse to take responsibility for their own lives.

What if they have neither legs nor arms?
 
They can use their chins to drag themselves forwards laboriously. Isn't that what being a progressive is all about?
 
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/The-city-s-panhandlers-tell-their-own-stories-4929388.php

San Francisco Panhandler Statistics said:
83% are men

48% are African American

31% are white

39% have a high school diploma

21% attended some college

69% are single

26% served in the military

70% are 40 to 59 years old

58% have been panhandling for at least five years

53% panhandle seven days a week

60% make $25 a day or less

94% use the money for food

44% use it for drugs or alcohol

62% are disabled

25% are alcoholics

32% are addicted to drugs

82% are homeless

95% live in San Francisco
 
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