Behind it all...

[naturalsurvival]

If u knew what the spirit looked like u wouldn't even consider the brain a part of it. lol. your a very funny guy. ah, i feel ticklesh, thankyou.

Narz!!! Yeah the pool of ideas we contribute and share, and what reflects from the surface of that vast pool is by our own faculties as souls. truth, when spoken, hits to the core of an aware soul. it is beyond rationalization. it is instataneous. it does not always need ramifications and connections. If u want to know more about seeing wisdom, connect with angels. They are the thoughts of God, weaving connection and helping others seeing the Divine mind.

 

[Narz]

I'd say the brain is pretty good hardware though I certainly won't complain when it is my time to "go wireless" (hopefully not for quite awhile though).

 

[Bozo Erectus]

The brain is hardware, the soul is software.

 

[Narz]

The brain is hardware, the soul is software.

Yeah, I concur.

 

[naturalsurvival]

Yeah narz! Selfless this is truly spiritual selfishness. You can not really give to the world, until you have given to yourself. I constantly invest in myself. I spend lots of time developing myself and learning... try to atleast. You can not give, unless you really know who you are and what you want. it is like the Phoenix, the archetype of renewal, regeneration, rebirth. It is from the investment in this time in yourself, and encountering or experiencing many mirrors in life, that you learn what is within you by the reflections from the mirrors or the mirror in many aspects of activity in various aspects of life. You can never escape the mirror. Life is always teaching. always pointing just below your own boundaries. And life supports with an intensity and regularity and in a consistant fashion the drive to give to your self, to unfold, to learn and become spiritually mature. That is really the meaning for everything in a person's life... their relationships, and fall throughs whether in the success world of profession and "work" or in personal, intimate relationships or with the world at large in the community. It is all for your development. i can't move into the abundance i dream of and speak of to god in my heart until i learn how to allow others to be themselve. I always want others to do what i do. but that is not the intention of god. so really everything i want in my own life, i first must work on this. I must. I am willing. Anyway, just to show, spiritual selfishness, is ultimately becoming the greatest contribution to the world. It is being able to leave the world and be alone for yourself, to truly come back and enter it.

 

[naturalsurvival]

There is an upheaval more profound than any political or social revolution moving accross the planet. It is a physic revolution.

 

[Rambuchan]

Narz: About your thread here

Miss Bliss: Your posts are wonderful and you have spoken some deep truths from behind the curtain...

~~
The beat, the beat,
that surges to meet,
with the firm and
the wonderous sky,
delivers a shiver
with each dart
and quiver
from its ancient
blinking eye.
~~​

 

[Fifty]

On the Golden Rule:

How far does it go? For example, when I see a hot girl, I very much want to be treated in a certain way by her groucho. Does that mean that I should treat all other people the way I want her to treat me? Seems pretty gross. I also wish everyone would give me money whenever I wanted, and I wish I never had to pay for anything. Doesn't seem like I should have to do likewise though, especially since (pipe dreams aside) I will NEVER be treated how I want to be treated?

What about masochists? Was Albert Fish justified in torturing people, because he enjoyed sticking lighter-fluid soaked cotton balls into his rectum and then lighting them?

 

[Narz]

Good questions Fifty.

On the Golden Rule:

How far does it go? For example, when I see a hot girl, I very much want to be treated in a certain way by her groucho. Does that mean that I should treat all other people the way I want her to treat me? Seems pretty gross.

I'll take some of that thanks Fifty.

Kidding, but seriously I think it is the intention that counts. Wishing the best for everyone though not necessarily going down on them all. Obviously you will save your best for some (those you truly care about) but it's good to treat strangers as well as you can to in the limited time you're with them.

I also wish everyone would give me money whenever I wanted, and I wish I never had to pay for anything.

If you love your job you won't feel like you're "working" for stuff. You'd just do something you enjoy all day and then the spending of your money will be like a bonus. It'd be almost as if it were free.

Doesn't seem like I should have to do likewise though, especially since (pipe dreams aside) I will NEVER be treated how I want to be treated?

Never say never. You might be treated how you want to be treated someday.

Also, I'd venture to say people deepest desire is generally not to have everything for free anyway. Look at the kids of rich parents, they're not always the happiest campers around. Earning stuff makes people feel good (generally), stealing might give an adrenaline rush and a brief feeling of excitement and power (from "getting away with" something) but overall (in my experience) it doesn't lead to long term happiness.

What about masochists? Was Albert Fish justified in torturing people, because he enjoyed sticking lighter-fluid soaked cotton balls into his rectum and then lighting them?

Hmm, if he can find others who enjoy what he enjoys they should be allowed to do whatever they want to each other. If he chooses to do that type of thing against other people's wills then yeah, he should be kept apart from society. Still though, the point should be rehabilitation more than punishment. I know that's easy for me to say since I haven't been violated in that particular way but still, punishment and venting anger don't solve problems in the long term. Think about it in the context of male-female relationships. A girl treats a guy bad, deceiving him, causing him to think of girls as scheming and materialistic. So he then treats his next girlfriend bad so she thinks of guys as untrusting, distant and cold. So she treats her next boyfriend like that and he leaves her and is so bitter he ends up giving up girls altogether except finally he can't take the aloneness and... well, you get the idea. Takes someone to break the chain. Besides, if Mr. Fish's mother and father treated Al with respect he probably wouldn't have developed his sadomasichism in the first place. Course that's water over the dam and yeah we shouldn't indulge every sick whim of all who ask. But we can still wish them the best, even as we're throwing them off us, holding they down and calling the cops. Know what I mean?

 

[Miss Bliss]

Blissfilled Blessings! Hi Rambuchan, Eye sight the same view from the dew of this dawning new, from 'behind it all' a clue or few, about the morning I flew into Thee brew of an Ocean's hue...

~in other words I enjoy this thread all sew, and thank you too for sharing your understanding of that which is spoken of playfully and creatively...

~~Eye re sun ate with your poem.

Hi C~G, thanks for sharing the meaning of your sig. quote...Allowing myself to jog with the jig of this in mind...I would love to discuss those ideas in depth sometime...Do you dwell within this no ledge sight of mythicality surrounding you? I understand if you do not wish to answer...

Hey Narz, I like hearing you say about allowing yourself to become "wireless"...and I concur, "If you love your job you won't feel like you're "working" for stuff. You'd just do something you enjoy all day and then the spending of your money will be like a bonus. It'd be almost as if it were free." I would add, that doing something that makes you sing deep within, in your core, is so empowering that it can cause to arise abilities that were perhap dormant before aligning with the soul. Abilities to be more in the flow of 'right place/right time', so as to experience life dripping with ripe fruit begging for devouring...plucking more and more thoughts of divine mind and weaving them into ones own rich exquisite tapestry...learning that a fun dance called abundance is merely a software insert chosen from amongst many (and I might add valid!) software choices.

Si Natural, an Angel whose wings fan words of filigree finery, to that whole that draws all screams and whispers unto its unrelenting centre, none is rejected, all is loved and embraced, enfolded whilst unfolding...

~ heaven's heart speaks to thee
Much love to Eye

PS Pyrite, I do not weight my flight too much with the hows of it, I more so practice knowing with absolute certainty that something Is, without a shadow of a doubt! And it IS...when you KNOW, that is it!!! It IS SO! as I soon as I know it to Be, it IS and I Am. What I am saying is that one doesn't need to find external hormonal inhibiters or amplifiers...when one can use will and imagination (i-magi-nation) with instant affect...

 

[naturalsurvival]

Fifty, don't you think there is something that makes a little more sense than that?

Everything has it's own level of desire. But beyond all that is this all inclusive desire in everyone's nature. When you carry forth it from behind the curtain of these own thoughts and personal inclinations as far as one thing or another goes, such as towards your mating with someone who looks sexually attractive, or beatin upside the head someone who did this or that... when what is more eternal is touched and focused on and integrated in every aspect of your considerations to others, then you pull on their heart this pervading longing. You can interact a thousand times and in a thousand diff ways with someone who is pretty, or beat upside the head a thousand war mongering insignificants, but just taste one touch of true acceptance and unity, for what it really is beyond those words, and you'll know what is gold. the poet so spoke from the oceans beyond: "where you place your treasure your heart will be there also."

If you wholeheartidly willingly desire peace in yourself, attach to the treasure in others. Pull on it. Give yourself to gain yourself. This peace is the meaning of all miracles. It is the meaning of the miracle of life itself. It is the golden thread behind all existance. Connect with it, and the true, authentic power of God will abide in you even closer than it already does regardless.

 

[C~G]

Do you dwell within this no ledge sight of mythicality surrounding you? I understand if you do not wish to answer...

Well, I grow up reading science fiction so there lies the answer why I try to "rationalize" these things. Secondly I have read so much western, eastern and whatever philosophy that I noticed it doesn't lead to anywhere. After all it's all the same.
In the end life is mystery. Listening, seeing, smelling are all mythical perceptions.

I think I have to quote my favourite scifi-movie here. In Blade Runner chief of police asks the main character for help and then pleas I need you magic.
That magic what he means is inviduals skill (to survive). Something that cannot be comprehended by someone else but the person in question. That is our invidual spirit. Unfortunately what is the most sad fundamental truth, is that we all are mortals. That is our destiny.
Too bad she won't live. But who does?

Sometimes I do say friends that are leaving that let's see on the other side instead of goodbye. It means that we never know or that it isn't even important as long as there's connection between us now. As long that is certain it doesn't mean a thing whether we need mystical explanation or not.
You cannot compare that human contact to anything else.
The bond between people is special.

 

[Rambuchan]

Blissfilled Blessings! Hi Rambuchan, Eye sight the same view from the dew of this dawning new, from 'behind it all' a clue or few, about the morning I flew into Thee brew of an Ocean's hue...

Your perception strikes true. But I am not surprised, actually not at all. Those lines were 'written' with two feet in the ocean's hue, while the sun burst to bed on its horizon. 'The beat' was the tide, back then, but it is to be found in many other palces, as is the blinking eye.

~in other words I enjoy this thread all sew, and thank you too for sharing your understanding of that which is spoken of playfully and creatively...

'Back then', about ten years ago, I found no last line for the verse. It has been many things since it first came to be, depending on inputs and state of mind. I think your ancient blinking eye was a blissful inspiration. It fits like a glove.

~~Eye re sun ate with your poem.

We need not always be the music makers and the dreamers of the dream, ourselves. We can sometimes let others play that tune for our dreaming pleasure too.

 

[Miss Bliss]

C~G, thanks! When one centres in the now, that is all there is. I agree with you to honour the connections of communion in this moment, and not just human contact either, I would add. As, when one is Infinite Intelligence aware of itself birthing now, sight of and simultaneous total immersion in, produces a state of suspended pull between infinite points of that whole, and immortality tastes exquisite. This moment, being the only thing that is real, sustains the hub from whence I steer a creational spiral of experience. This often serves to obliterate the premise of mortality, flushing it into a mere pocket of existential possibility, and not an immutable universal law.

If One is in the sight of mythical perceptions, the I that is observing and serving as witness to that and is aware of itself as a myth, gives rise to the question with what does it have to compare itself with when it is gazing steadily into the fabric of now/and the very nature of itself? And in a blink, the sight is totally obliterated and replaced anew, with no previous residue to impress upon the current of the now, now, now, now ad infinitum...

Ok, maybe this type of thought and discussion goes in circles and no solid map for future navigation can come about, as like I was just saying...and you were saying, it is a mystery since it is constantly birthing. The territory (which is not territory) can not truly be mapped, although many attempt in a stupor of drunken rappant ardous devotion...

On a more personal note: I have been living away from mainstream culture, and am not up with movies, do not watch tv etc. Yet, I am aware of the nature of the Matrix, without ever having seen the movies. Bladerunner! Just the other day a quote that fully pulled on me, about attack ships firing off the shoulder of orion had me googling that quote. And I found a wonderfully eloquent and articulately expressed essay on the film Bladerunner! A thoroughly enjoyable read, and well written...so now I have at least an inkling of what nature the film is, that you have mentioned. The quote seemed very familiar...

The bond between people is special. Do you think that when one is aware of being the infinite intelligence of the sacred heart, that that bond extends to all aspects in all forms, within the whole of itself?

wow! Rambuchan, thanks for sharing the shared Eye sight with a skip and leap through the wyrming wrinkle of time. woah, as I say this, I start to warble, warp and shudder as there is no sharing a sight....there is only ONE...I blinking...

Natural, I surrender to the golden path of Eye's sight, I give my love through appreciation of the treasure I

~tree shore me in the farshine of I

 

[C~G]

C~G, thanks!

You're welcome Miss Bliss.
I have always a moment for follow soul asking for guidance.
The ladies room is second door from the right on the left hand side corridor.

On a more personal note: I have been living away from mainstream culture, and am not up with movies, do not watch tv etc. Yet, I am aware of the nature of the Matrix, without ever having seen the movies.
Bladerunner!

Never been fan of mainstream myself, neither of Matrix.
But I do watch many movies and the reason is that it also gives impressions of such lifes that I cannot ever live as invidual human being.

I remember being on my father's car when we drove through the city of Helsinki when I was a child. I remember seeing this football field and I understood I never will be one of those boys running on that field playing with that ball, I would never hang around the same corners as they do and live the same lifes they do. There have been other such moments during my life that have made me wonder these things. Not such rationally but sometimes I have felt this strong connection to some people's lifes even though I hardly know them. Were they have born, grown up and where the life is taking them has touched me deeply. It's about the separated but still somehow connected experience of universum.

I am the places I have been, the people I have met and visions that have runned through my head.

As youngster I used to listen Dire Straits' Brothers in Arms over and over again because it put it so directly even though it sounds little bit sentimental and sad.

Just the other day a quote that fully pulled on me, about attack ships firing off the shoulder of orion had me googling that quote.

One of my favourite quotes of that movie.
Not because what is said but how it is said and what it means.
It's the nature of those artificial human beings that makes us ask who we are.

And I found a wonderfully eloquent and articulately expressed essay on the film Bladerunner! A thoroughly enjoyable read, and well written...so now I have at least an inkling of what nature the film is, that you have mentioned. The quote seemed very familiar...

Bladerunner is different. It's almost the real deal. It is definately film to see. You can forget most of the other scifi films if 2001:Space Odysseia as well as couple of others aren't counted which "study" the nature of human being and it's relation to world around and inside of us.

The bond between people is special. Do you think that when one is aware of being the infinite intelligence of the sacred heart, that that bond extends to all aspects in all forms, within the whole of itself?

That might be the case.
But I prefer guessing over making solid conclusion about it.
It keeps me on the prowl.

 

[aneeshm]

The twin causes of all problems in the world are fear and ego , both of which are the causes and consequences of each other . But , these being fundamental to human nature , man as a species will have to advance before the root causes of misery are solved .

Take as an example the retreating into a shell of its own making of the orthodox Muslim world , the world of the Ulema and the Madarsa . They have retreated so because their ego has been slighted , because they have been outdone by the West ( and now the East , in the form of India and Japan ) . This retreat has also led to a fear , the fear of further falling and of what the West will do to them . This fear and ego feed on and enhance each other , till it reaches a point where they find external experssion in terrorism and radicalism and literalism .

 

[C~G]

In my opinion, ego is everywhere. You cannot escape it.
Ego attaches itself into wherever whenever you concentrate it and identifies itself with it.
Fear is the logical consequence of feeling of losing that ego or letting go of it's current condition.
It's easier to live in fear that is known than in fear which is unknown.

Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome.
- Isaac Asimov

 

[Azash]

I can't really say it without sounding cliche, but.. Wille zu Macht FTW!

 

[jonatas]

Cool thread Natural Survival, Narz, Rambaby, Miss Bliss et al.

The problem everywhere is ego. This is because there can be no ego without guilt. Heroism is simply self justification (although there are true selfless heroes). If we can just get beyond the negative and focus on the positive [the fullness of being, treasuring it], we will exprience true progession everywhere

 

[Rambuchan]

Hi Jonatas-baby

Nice to see you contributing in here bro. I would like to make a comment, in response to Miss Bliss' words, but also a comment on the discussion so far. Words don't quite suffice sometimes, but I hope you see how my response is directly in answer to these words I quote...

wow! Rambuchan, thanks for sharing the shared Eye sight with a skip and leap through the wyrming wrinkle of time. woah, as I say this, I start to warble, warp and shudder as there is no sharing a sight....there is only ONE...I blinking...

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