Best civ for each religious victory

[star15389]

My next challenge is going to be getting all the religious victories at least once. Having never done one I don't know the strategy or which civ is best, so I figured I'd ask before wasting a month with the wrong civs. My guesses:
Hinduism, Persia or India
Buddhism, China or Persia
Confucianism, China. Or perhaps China then switch to France
Taoism, China
Zoroastrianism, China
Islam, Arabia or Mongolia
Orthodoxy, China or Rome. Possibly achievable with India?
Catholicism, France or England
Protestantism, Spain
Judaism, no idea. Russia?
Paganism, Greece. I tried Egypt but accidentally won the UHV before there were 15 pagan temples
Secular, England



Are they good? The very best? Impossible?

COMPLETED:
Pagan (Egypt -> Phoenicia, 310BC)
Orthodox (Egypt -> Greece, 450AD)
Hindu (Egypt -> Greece, 320AD)
Confucian (Egypt -> Rome, 1085AD)
Buddhist (Harappa, 70AD)
Protestant (China, 912AD)
Islamic (Egypt -> Greece, 490AD)
Secular (Greece -> France, 1572AD)
Zoroastrian (China, 1452AD)
Taoist (China, 1784AD)
Jewish (China, 1564AD)
Catholic (Egypt -> Greece, 1584AD)

 

[star15389]

One down; pagan as Greece. It turns out the real requirement isn't to win ten wonders, but to control ~15 cities before they get infected with Judaism

 

[star15389]

Having great difficulty with Zoroastrian China. Even though I'm running Fanaticism Catholicism still spreads to my Mexican colony, and Zoroastrian constantly disappears from my core cities. Fairly certain the first should never happen - Catholic spread to the Americas is overly aggressive in general, imo. I had it spread to one of my cities as Maya around 1000, way before I made contact with anyone. Is there a trick to making Zoroastrianism not disappear? Will having it be the only religion in a city while I run Fanaticism do it?

 

[J422]

Why don't you try it with Persia, by the way ?
Since religions have "natural" spreading, isn't it logic to try the URVs with the right civs ?

 

[star15389]

Getting Parsa to legendary culture seems a lot harder than doing it with Luoyang. China has a lot more population in its core than Persia too, and less annoying flips to deal with. Will Zoroastrianism disappear from my Persian cities as well?

 

[star15389]

Orthodox can probably be done with any civ in the 3000 BC start since Catholicism seems not to get founded at all most of the time. I was not very aggressive as far as founding cities for the four cathedrals; I bet you could win as China before the Mongols even spawn. Took me until 1480

 

[Baur]

In judaism you should control Jerusalem and create legendary culture city in there - is Russia good for it? Maybe Rome? Paganism - I did it with Rome accidentally twice .
I never had good approval ratings, how to do it for buddhism?

 

[Ecthy]

What's with the controling 15 cities to win religious victory under paganism? We're speaking about Pantheon, right? Don't need to control 15 cities, all it takes is 15 pagan temples exisiting in the world. I have won Pantheon victories as Egypt before.

Secularism is particularly diffictult, and why? Because you need to aquire at least 4 Zoroastrian cities, at least the way the mod is designed right now. Of course you can do this as the US, just invade Iran and all. Still, one cathedral of each of the 10 (!) religions sounds like one worldwide empire. So much for the tolerant left Hey, maybe it's particularly doable as Russia, in one big chunk of a land empire!

 

[star15389]

Yeah but you need to get them built fast or they'll start getting destroyed by organized religions. The AI doesn't built them fast enough so you need to build the vast majority yourself. Secular might be be easy as England since you have historical area for Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim and (I think) Zoroastrian, so an extra four cities in China is all you need. Not sure about Zoroastrian, though. Will their missionaries work on North Indian cities?

 

[star15389]

Can see that I am wrong in thinking India or Perisa is best for the Hindu UHV. It's actually England. You have a far superior great person modifier and can get an artist, a merchant, a statesman, a spy, and a general for free from techs, a free golden age from Versailles, as well as having historical area in Patliputra and the incredible food land in North America. Only problem is religious disunity but that can be managed by running Secularized after converting London and Chicago with prebuilt missionaries

 

[Tigranes]

What's with the controling 15 cities to win religious victory under paganism? We're speaking about Pantheon, right? Don't need to control 15 cities, all it takes is 15 pagan temples exisiting in the world. I have won Pantheon victories as Egypt before.

Secularism is particularly diffictult, and why? Because you need to aquire at least 4 Zoroastrian cities, at least the way the mod is designed right now. Of course you can do this as the US, just invade Iran and all. Still, one cathedral of each of the 10 (!) religions sounds like one worldwide empire. So much for the tolerant left Hey, maybe it's particularly doable as Russia, in one big chunk of a land empire!

Yeah, I never liked how Secular URV was implemented for that exact reason. I think 1 single temple is enough, I mean who have seen Zoroastrian Cathedrals in Secular West?

 

[Ecthy]

[QUOTE="star15389, post: 14709234, member: 150308"It's actually England. You have a far superior great person modifier...[/QUOTE]

Beg your pardon? English UP is sth about city cost...

 

[DarkLunaPhantom]

Beg your pardon? English UP is sth about city cost...

Each civ in DoC has its own cost (production, upkeep, etc.) modifiers.

 

[Ecthy]

Wasn't aware that applied to Great Person cost as well.

 

[star15389]

Hindu done, as China instead of England. Very simple to achieve (the only wrinkle is staying bigger than Amsterdam but it's manageable with Privateers). Took until 1802 which I think England could definitely have done much faster. Two major errors, firstly that I didn't get the Triumphal Arch GA, secondly that I revolted to Secularized during my Olympic Park GA and the game did not count the anarchy turns as spent in GA, meaning that I needed to start four of them instead of three. Think it could have been done at least a century earlier as the Chinese. Does anyone know if generals count as great people for the Hindu URV? If they do China could probably win it by 1500

 

[Leoreth]

URVs do not give 2/3 GAs, is that what you meant?

Also, GAs should remain paused while you're in anarchy, did the GA counter decrease during those turns?

 

[star15389]

I mean the Golden Age you get from completing 2/3 historical victory conditions. Don't know what the problem with the Golden Age count was; I didn't check until it was nearly done. Problem may have been that I wasn't Hindu during some of the GA turns. Does that matter?

 

[star15389]

Next up, Buddhist China. This one seems incredibly hard to me. In particular because the highest approval rating and all at least cautious conditions are in opposition to each other. Right now my strategy is to found Islam, build Blue Mosque in Luoyang, and starve down every other city until only resource tiles are being worked once I get Astro/Rifling. Should be enough to have the highest approval rating. But getting to cautious with every civ will be tough. Some of their heathen religion maluses are just so big, I'll probably have to collapse them to win, and that will be tough with what will nearly be a OCC

 

[star15389]

Generals do indeed count for the Hindu URV. Guess was right on; victory in 1490. The revolution back to Scholasticism cost a turn of Golden Age; would have won in 1485 if I'd used the G Statesman from Democracy to avoid anarchy there instead of settling him but I didn't want to risk popping a bad GP.

Edit: tried again from before the first GA in this game. Issue is that GA turns don't count unless you actually have Hindu state religion, so the need to be secular or Muslim while building it makes Taj of limited value

 

[Tigranes]

How much of real time does it take for you to complete a typical URV? Certain civ's UHVs I can finish in one evening, but URVs do not have end dates and I guess that can make games very long. And how do you have so much time on your hands?