kochman
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Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Damn you imaginary future destroying article *shakes fist*
useless
Social Justice Rogue
To be honest, Bachmann is a crazy homophobe pure and simple.
BuckeyeJim
King
I do not like Michele Bachmann, but I think you are distorting what she is saying. She isn't saying that our debt spending is akin to killing millions of people. She is saying that when she was a kid and learned about the holocaust that she wondered why her parents didn't do more to stop it. She is saying that our debt spending will be an issue where a future generation of children will say, "why didn't they do more to stop this." Nothing more, nothing less.
Mentioning tax hikes in the same breath as the Holocaust is staggeringly insensitive at the very least. If that was a simple lack of taste with no ill motive intended, she (as a professional politician) should have known better.
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Social Justice Rogue
As if she cared
Ajidica
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She is still using the holocaust as a shock argument for her taxation rhetoric. Plus, she isn't talking about debt spending, but rather taxes. If she had been talking about debt spending, then I could excuse it as an ill-concieved political talking point. However, she was clearly talking about taxes and, to me at least, framed the issue in such a way as to make our current tax level sound like it is an economic holocaust against us. That has transformed her comment from an ill-concieved political talking point by a crazy lady into something that is actualy offensive.
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Social Justice Rogue
It was a joke.
NickyJ
Retired Narrator
I didn't really get a whole lot out of it. CNN did a horrible job. But for what little I did get out of it, I am not so happy with Mitt Romney. But the overall point of the debate, from my view, was to see who the main alternative to Mitt Romney is.
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Social Justice Rogue
The question about Muslims, and the response to it, was.. quite disturbing:
KING: When I asked -- I asked this question the other night, though, you said you want to ask a Muslim those questions but you didn't you have to ask them to a Christian or a Jew?
CAIN: I would ask certain questions, John. And it's not a litmus test. It is simply trying to make sure that we have people committed to the Constitution first in order for them to work effectively in the administration.
GINGRICH: I just want to comment for a second. The Pakistani who emigrated to the U.S. became a citizen, built a car bomb which luckily failed to go off in Times Square was asked by the federal judge, how could he have done that when he signed -- when he swore an oath to the United States. And he looked at the judge and said, "You're my enemy. I lied."
Now, I just want to go out on a limb here. I'm in favor of saying to people, if you're not prepared to be loyal to the United States, you will not serve in my administration, period.
(APPLAUSE)
GINGRICH: We did this -- we did this in dealing with the Nazis and we did this in dealing with the communists. And it was controversial both times, and both times we discovered after a while, you know, there are some genuinely bad people who would like to infiltrate our country. And we have got to have the guts to stand up and say no.
KING: When I asked -- I asked this question the other night, though, you said you want to ask a Muslim those questions but you didn't you have to ask them to a Christian or a Jew?
CAIN: I would ask certain questions, John. And it's not a litmus test. It is simply trying to make sure that we have people committed to the Constitution first in order for them to work effectively in the administration.
GINGRICH: I just want to comment for a second. The Pakistani who emigrated to the U.S. became a citizen, built a car bomb which luckily failed to go off in Times Square was asked by the federal judge, how could he have done that when he signed -- when he swore an oath to the United States. And he looked at the judge and said, "You're my enemy. I lied."
Now, I just want to go out on a limb here. I'm in favor of saying to people, if you're not prepared to be loyal to the United States, you will not serve in my administration, period.
(APPLAUSE)
GINGRICH: We did this -- we did this in dealing with the Nazis and we did this in dealing with the communists. And it was controversial both times, and both times we discovered after a while, you know, there are some genuinely bad people who would like to infiltrate our country. And we have got to have the guts to stand up and say no.
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
I still am off the opinion that once you introduce an audience in a political debate, it goes down the crapper faster than you can say "populist soundbite excreting talking heads"
"But Ziggy, without an audience it is boring to watch."
INDEED!
From a poster-turned-lurker, it was a mess.
John King could not control these guys. I've come to expect dodgy answers from politicians, but they set a new standard yesterday. Concise answers, though requested, were not in style--I feel like the most common utterance was John King's "uh... uh... uh..." trying to move the show along! It's simple, folks--you need the lights or buzzers or maybe award-show music to play them off. Otherwise they won't shut up and let the others speak. At least they were polite and didn't interrupt each other.
Also, Bachmann's constant reminders about how many children she had was getting boring and repetitive, i.e. when asked the question on legalizing abortion in the case of rape or incest. I half-figured she would say "As a woman who has been raped by her daddy five times..." At least it would have been interesting.
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Social Justice Rogue
Gingrich literally compared muslims to nazis
Ajidica
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Again, does anybody care what a hypocrtical scumbag says in a meaningless attempt to preserve some voters after his campaign just imploded? Not really.
Said scumbug is an influential figure and a candidate for the Presidency of the United States. Not to say that you should care, but it's hard to not care.
NickyJ
Retired Narrator
He's a windbag. He has very little influence. The media has talked him up, but besides that, he probably has less influence than Herman Cain. I honestly don't know why people make a big deal over a windbag who hasn't been relevant since over a decade ago.
John King was an idiot. While I agree that the candidates weren't answering the country as directly as they should have, the grunting noises from King made me want to shout "Shut up!" at the screen. Hold your hand up, wave a red flag, dance a jig for all I care, but be quiet already. Also, the questions about "Blackberry or I[whatever-it-was]", "Deep dish or blah", and the like were stupid. I had low expectations for CNN, but they managed to do even worse.
Agreed. Has anyone made an "organization fail" lolcat for CNN yet?
John King let these blowhards railroad him. He needed to be firm with the time limits, and he needed to press them to answer the questions. The role of moderator is an important one in any debate, and he didn't make the cut. Instead, he acted like the shy kid in the back of the room. That doesn't cut it when you have a bunch of aggressive personalities on stage.
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Jewel Runner
Well at this point, he and Jimmy McMillan are roughly equal in relevance to the Republican party, so I think we can pretty safely stop caring.
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