Best Way To Defeat the Right?

[Narz]

Trump wasn't elected because tens of millions of Americans are sensitive little children. They elected Trump because they disliked the way things were and Democrats fielded the most unlikeable human being on Earth: zero charisma and she was telling people actually, everything is fine.

I agree w the latter but I also think yes actually most Americans are sensitive little children, stuck emotionally @ a pre-teen level of maturity.

Biden is only slightly more likable than Hillary tho and Harris is much worse

If we have such garbage candidates in 2024 I won't vote again and I'm certainly not alone.

Almost nobody is actually voting for these buffoons they're voting against Trump.

The situation is tailor made to bring out the nihilist in all of us.

If I had a decent stack of money I'd be off the grid and ready for anything within 12 months.

 

[Sonereal]

I agree w the latter but I also think yes actually most Americans are sensitive little children, stuck emotionally @ a pre-teen level of maturity.

Biden is only slightly more likable than Hillary tho and Harris is much worse

If we have such garbage candidates in 2024 I won't vote again and I'm certainly not alone.

Almost nobody is actually voting for these buffoons they're voting against Trump.

The situation is tailor made to bring out the nihilist in all of us.

If I had a decent stack of money I'd be off the grid and ready for anything within 12 months.

Yeah, I pretty much agree. Biden is a complete loser who barely won because Trump, in his infinite genius, badly mangled the pandemic response. He's only a shining light standing next to even bigger loser Harris, California senator who was going to come sixth in her own state if she hadn't dropped out before the primaries began. I'm pretty optimistic about the future all things considered, but gleefully nihilistic about the US's chances through 2050.

 

[Birdjaguar]

The ongoing generational dying off of the boomers has begun and that will go a long way to righting the ship. The task of the Millennials will be to "fix the internet" so it works better than it does and closer to its best potential.

 

[Joij21]

The situation is tailor made to bring out the nihilist in all of us.

but gleefully nihilistic about the US's chances through 2050.

My dad is never nihilistic when it comes to America's future. He claims the media is full of B.S. and even things like civil war are an impossibility.

Generally, he likes to point out that most Americans are fat, high on opioids, drunk, and addicted to watching reality TV to even care about what's going on in the first place. And for those Americans who do care and are willing to join militias/become radicalized, most of them are dependent on anti-depressants or heart medication which they would lose access to after a month of fighting and having all the supply lines cut off.

Therefore, he sees most radicals, both fascist and communist (and even libertarian), as obese losers toting around guns and playing strange LARPing games in the forest. Most of which would die by week six in a real civil war of either a heart attack, or suicide induced from chronic depression.

This is exactly what's going on. How this isn't obvious to anyone who pays any sort of attention mystifies me. The masses less so because the overwhelming majority of American voters are low information partisans.

Drugs, alcohol, reality TV, sports, the stripclub/nightclub/dive bar, maybe a concert, and their next paycheck are the only thing most Americans care about instead of the news. If they do watch the news, then it's from infotainment channels like FOX or CNN.

Same reason my dad believes that modern day Americans are incapable of a revolution (which he views as a positive because he thinks they are too dumb to rebel for anything good).

 

[Joij21]

The task of the Millennials will be to "fix the internet" so it works better than it does and closer to its best potential.

More like Generation Z and later. Quite a few Millennials are already part of the Alt-Right.

Then again even Z has some Alt-Right as well, so I guess it's more of an Alpha problem.

 

[Narz]

I tend to agree that civil war is very unlikely as people don't really want to actually risk anything, just spar online to add a sad form of 'adventure' to their boring lives.

The ongoing generational dying off of the boomers has begun and that will go a long way to righting the ship. The task of the Millennials will be to "fix the internet" so it works better than it does and closer to its best potential.

You should start a thread about what it means to 'fix the internet'

 

[Narz]

More like Generation Z and later. Quite a few Millennials are already part of the Alt-Right.

Then again even Z has some Alt-Right as well, so I guess it's more of an Alpha problem.

Whats an alpha problem?

 

[Zardnaar]

Whats an alpha problem?

Alpha male?

It's a dangerous assumption to assume you win power once boomers die of. That's going to take decades, a good junk of gen X vote right as well and millennials also have a good chunk of Trump supporters.

They also bother voting as well plus where they live.

 

[Joij21]

Whats an alpha problem?

The current generation being born right now is called Generation Alpha, the next will be Generation Beta and so on until the Greek alphabet is used up (since Z was the last of the English alphabet even though the first named generation was called the Lost Generation, but who cares because the officials who do the generation naming thing are lazy and could care less if the naming of future generations is not creative).

Alpha has been being born from 2011 and will be finished being born by 2025. Generation Z was born from 1996 to 2010, and Millennials were born from 1980 to 1995. Before that is Generation X born from 1963 to 1979. Before even that are the Boomers 1945 to 1962.

Uh then there is a lot of confusion going back because some people split up the Great Generation into a Silent Generation and a "GREAT" Generation and some don't. So, the Silent Generation is usually those not old enough to serve in WW2, but some feel the distinction is unfair because a generation shouldn't be determined by military service and whatnot. Therefore, the Silents would be born somewhere in the 1930's to 1945. The Greats would be the 1910's through 1920's.

Before that is the first ever named generation, the Lost Generation, also known as the WW1 generation. Named lost because they lost so many talented young men in the trenches of the great war, but also because they were blamed for causing the great depression and the Greats had to clean up their mess. The Lost Generation were born form the 1880's and 1890's (there's still some debate as to where they actually begin as well as where they end, and the Greats begin) to the 1900's.

 

[Kaitzilla]

California got rid of their other party a long time ago.

It is a paradise on Earth now.

 

[Zardnaar]

California got rid of their other party a long time ago.

It is a paradise on Earth now.

California has gone a bit to far left. Basically making shoplifting legal and attracting homeless via handouts.

We have welfare here but you need a home to receive it so you don't go live on the streets ad drink the money.

 

[GenMarshall]

No offense, but this is how small children pick which table they're going to sit at a lunch. There is no "recovering" """anti-SJW""" (read: socially maladapted individuals who shouldn't be trusted to operate heavy machinery or own firearms); just losers on the wrong side of history who want to be gracefully allowed to sit at the cool kids' table and will instantly double down on their own toxic beliefs the moment they're mildly inconvenienced.

The most effective way a person can engage with an """anti-SJW""" is easy: ignore and belittle them. They're losers. Who cares what they think? Like small children, an """recovering""" SJW needs to be properly disciplined. You do not discipline the child by simply giving him a sweet treat on days he doesn't use a slur.

No offense Sone, but your idea of gatekeeping former anti-SJWs and people on the right from the left only fosters resentment and actively push away potential people to your side. It’s counterproductive and will backfire. The goal is to win the hearts and minds of people to draw them away from right-wing politics, not push them towards it by gatekeeping and purity testing.

Ignoring and belittling anti-SJW only cements there beliefs further and reenforces the idea that people on the left are insufferable keyboard warriors. Congratulations, you pushed someone who you could have brought into left-wing politics away and making the effort of deradicalizing those people much more difficult. The constant beratement of social democrats on IOT chat is what pushed me Alt-lite in the first place.

You state a claim that there’s no such thing as a recovering anti-SJW. I can scour the Internet of testimonials of former anti-SJWs and alt-righters who left messages on various YouTube videos thanking content creators like Xanderhal and Innuendo Studios for helping them get deradicalized from a toxic ideology. Do you deny the validity of their lived experiences of deradicalizing themselves to be a better person?

No one is giving former anti-SJWs/Alt-lite/Alt-righters candy and treats on the days they don’t utter a slur. All they are asking for is at minimum be treated like human beings with forgiveness. Not be treated like harden criminals and thrown into the gulags because they had a cringy past.

What you’re advocating for former anti-SJW is retributive justice and that is not the answer. What you’re signaling to people who are in the process of deradicaizing to question themselves “why should I bother changing to be a better person for the world when the left sees me as an irredeemable monster?”. Restorative justice and rehabilitation is the key, not retributive justice.

 

[Gorbles]

Restorative justice and rehabilitation is the key, not retributive justice.

Sure. So's evidence of actual change. People who keep on saying they've changed, only to fall back into alt-right garbage, evidently aren't interested in being better. There needs to be a desire from the individual to change; to unlearn. It needs to be committed to before other people give up their time to help out.

Otherwise what you're doing is asking others to give up their time, attention and emotional bandwidth to help someone who doesn't actually want to be helped. That person just wants to be told everything is fine and their past actions are forgiven. That's not unlearning anything.

 

[Zardnaar]

Sure. So's evidence of actual change. People who keep on saying they've changed, only to fall back into alt-right garbage, evidently aren't interested in being better. There needs to be a desire from the individual to change; to unlearn. It needs to be committed to before other people give up their time to help out.

Otherwise what you're doing is asking others to give up their time, attention and emotional bandwidth to help someone who doesn't actually want to be helped. That person just wants to be told everything is fine and their past actions are forgiven. That's not unlearning anything.

There is evidence it's counter productive.

 

[Gorbles]

There is evidence it's counter productive.

What's counter-productive?

 

[Zardnaar]

What's counter-productive?

Mean you're harming your cause more than helping.

Look at all the flak shot at Trump before he got elected. Just gave him lots of publicity.

Voters don't really support far left causes in significant numbers anywhere. Bidens probably gonna get slaughtered in mid terms next year. The culture war counter productive all you're doing us pissing people off with purity tests etc.

Things in some ways are changing Ng but voters aren't voting for the left they're voting against Trump/BoJo etc.

These right wing clowns are so bad they're helping the left out. Counter productive to their side winning an election.

Shooting yourself in the foot basically.

In a democracy swings Ng to far left or right loses you the center. Do that you get turfed out.

Rights advantage is they don't really have to govern. Just gum up the works, cut taxes or at least avoid putting them up. Keeps their supporters happy. Downside it's getting harder for them to disguise the harm their policies do to the vast majority of the population.

Lefts more of a collection of causes which means it's harder to satisfy your supporters. It's also counter productive when they do get elected on"hope and change" and not much gets changed and not much hope.

 

[Narz]

Sure. So's evidence of actual change. People who keep on saying they've changed, only to fall back into alt-right garbage, evidently aren't interested in being better. There needs to be a desire from the individual to change; to unlearn. It needs to be committed to before other people give up their time to help out.

Otherwise what you're doing is asking others to give up their time, attention and emotional bandwidth to help someone who doesn't actually want to be helped. That person just wants to be told everything is fine and their past actions are forgiven. That's not unlearning anything.

Beliefs don't need to be 'forgiven'.

I can judge beliefs I believe are stupid/wrong (being religious, thinking ben shapiro is smart, thinking trump cares about the working class, etc) but I can try to understand where they come from. I don't need someone who thinks these things coming to me head bowed vowing to be 'better' and asking forgiveness.

This hoity-toity attitude is part of what drove them to their corner in the first place.

Voters don't really support far left causes in significant numbers anywhere. Bidens probably gonna get slaughtered in mid terms next year. The culture war counter productive all you're doing us pissing people off with purity tests etc.

Indeed. The left is impotent. They don't want to solve problems, they want to say "Hey look we choose a VP who's a murky brown sociopath, that cancels out the fact that the Pres is another senile old white guy right?" It's bloody embarrassing. People are bored, they want the illusion of something happening, grand promises & a return to a time of hope ('morning in America' & all that bs) but really they want actual change & progress on the issues they care about but since neither party delivers on that they'll settle for entertainment at least.

People gonna choose the crazy/abusive party over the limp dick poser party. I hope I'm wrong but we'll see in 2022.

 

[Zardnaar]

Beliefs don't need to be 'forgiven'.

I can judge beliefs I believe are stupid/wrong (being religious, thinking ben shapiro is smart, thinking trump cares about the working class, etc) but I can try to understand where they come from. I don't need someone who thinks these things coming to be head bowed vowing to be 'better' and asking forgiveness.

This hoity-toity attitude is part of what drove them to their corner in the first place.


Indeed. The left is impotent. They don't want to solve problems, they want to say "Hey look we choose a VP who's a murky brown sociopath, that cancels out the fact that the Pres is another senile old white guy right?" It's bloody embarrassing. People are bored, they want the illusion of something happening, grand promises & a return to a time of hope ('morning in America & all the bs') but really they want actual change & progress on the issues they care about but since neither party delivers on that they'll settle for entertainment at least.

People gonna choose the crazy/abusive party over the limp dick poser party. I hope I'm wrong but we'll see in 2022.

Yeah this is kinda how I see it

 

[Gorbles]

Mean you're harming your cause more than helping.

Look at all the flak shot at Trump before he got elected. Just gave him lots of publicity.

We weren't talking about Trump. We were talking about rehabilitating anti-SJW types. Alt-right or far-right types.

I have no idea why you decided to change the topic, but I'm not interested in what you've changed it to, lol.

Beliefs don't need to be 'forgiven'.

Actions do. Asking people targeted by the far right to be responsible for rehabilitation and deradicalisation is a big ask. You think anyone beaten up by a Proud Boy will easily sit down with them without some kind of an apology?

Actions have consequences. It's weird how these keep on being forgotten for far and alt-right folk, but every leftist has to answer for the entire history of Communism every time they open their mouths

The left is impotent. They don't want to solve problems, they want to say "Hey look we choose a VP who's a murky brown sociopath, that cancels out the fact that the Pres is another senile old white guy right?" It's bloody embarrassing.

The only thing that's embarrassing is you thinking this is what leftists think. Harris is the liberals' darling. Not a leftist one.

Explains a lot about your posts on the subject, mind you.

 

[Zardnaar]

We weren't talking about Trump. We were talking about rehabilitating anti-SJW types. Alt-right or far-right types.

I have no idea why you decided to change the topic, but I'm not interested in what you've changed it to, lol.


Actions do. Asking people targeted by the far right to be responsible for rehabilitation and deradicalisation is a big ask. You think anyone beaten up by a Proud Boy will easily sit down with them without some kind of an apology?

Actions have consequences. It's weird how these keep on being forgotten for far and alt-right folk, but every leftist has to answer for the entire history of Communism every time they open their mouths

It's more the purity tests, lecturing and pontificating.

My entire social circle votes the "right way" basically Labour/Greens. This is from my wife's 21 yo cousin through to boomer parents in laws.

Not a single one likes the online Twitter mobs and purity BS.

And I live in a country more liberal than yours and where the left actually won an election.

The right to some extent gets a pass on their actions for the simple reason we don't expect any better and they've gone a bit derp crazy in the UK/USA. They flirted with that here and got mauled so they use their usual dig whistles instead which boil down to pro business screw the poor type policies.