[Beyond the Sword] History In The Making
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Nerowannabe
Warlord
Just noticed Obama's favorite civic is state property.
Grave has said he will not comment on that. I think you can figure that out yourself.
Nerowannabe
Warlord
Great mod! All great additions.
GhostWriter16
Deity
I didn't read all the comments, but why is Barrack Obama leader of America? That should be changed. I see no reason at all to put him in the game. He has utterly destroyed our nation of America. Why is he our leader?
Now, I see you have Hitler. That is a different issue, and I have mixed feelings about it. I am not claiming Obama is worse than Hitler, but Hitler accomplished a lot, just negative. Obama has accomplished what? There are four types of leaders:
Leaders which accomplished a lot that was positive and morally ehtical (Washington, Lincoln, Churchill, exc.)
Leaders that accomplished a lot for his own nation, but did evil to other civs for it (Napolean, Montezuma exc.)
Leaders that made their civilizations productive, and had success, but were brutal dictators (Hitler, Stalin.)
Leaders that didn't really accomplish anything, or everything they did accomplish was negative/trivial (FDR, Obama.)
Now, yes, Obama allows murder in this country, but many president's have allowed that, and despite that America have killed 8 times as many as Hitler, for some reason, we don't really think of them that way, and besides, they don't realize they're doing it.
That's why I do not classify Obama with Hitler.
Obama is not conquering other nations in the name of America or anything like that. Therefore I do not classify Obama with Napolean.
And anyone who thinks Obama should be identified alongside Washington or Lincoln is a joke.
Therefore, I think that a different American leader there should be. I haven't played your mod. But I don't have to to know Obama is an unsuitable choice for the American leader. Good call on Regan though.
Why is George W Leader of Texas? Why is there a Texas nation?
As for Hitler, I don't think its an issue. There does need to be some brutal dictators in the third category above. It may make some people offened though, particuarly if they suffered under the man.
Just sayin'
PS: When I put FDR in the negative category, I was specifically referring to the Socialistic "New Deal," programs and such. I was not referencing the war, a stage in which FDR did in fact, show tremendous leadership. Because of his role in the war, FDR probably does deserve a spot, but he was not truly a good president as believed by many.
Now, I see you have Hitler. That is a different issue, and I have mixed feelings about it. I am not claiming Obama is worse than Hitler, but Hitler accomplished a lot, just negative. Obama has accomplished what? There are four types of leaders:
Leaders which accomplished a lot that was positive and morally ehtical (Washington, Lincoln, Churchill, exc.)
Leaders that accomplished a lot for his own nation, but did evil to other civs for it (Napolean, Montezuma exc.)
Leaders that made their civilizations productive, and had success, but were brutal dictators (Hitler, Stalin.)
Leaders that didn't really accomplish anything, or everything they did accomplish was negative/trivial (FDR, Obama.)
Now, yes, Obama allows murder in this country, but many president's have allowed that, and despite that America have killed 8 times as many as Hitler, for some reason, we don't really think of them that way, and besides, they don't realize they're doing it.
That's why I do not classify Obama with Hitler.
Obama is not conquering other nations in the name of America or anything like that. Therefore I do not classify Obama with Napolean.
And anyone who thinks Obama should be identified alongside Washington or Lincoln is a joke.
Therefore, I think that a different American leader there should be. I haven't played your mod. But I don't have to to know Obama is an unsuitable choice for the American leader. Good call on Regan though.
Why is George W Leader of Texas? Why is there a Texas nation?
As for Hitler, I don't think its an issue. There does need to be some brutal dictators in the third category above. It may make some people offened though, particuarly if they suffered under the man.
Just sayin'
PS: When I put FDR in the negative category, I was specifically referring to the Socialistic "New Deal," programs and such. I was not referencing the war, a stage in which FDR did in fact, show tremendous leadership. Because of his role in the war, FDR probably does deserve a spot, but he was not truly a good president as believed by many.
Fr8monkey
Deity
Without turning this into a rant space and at the risk of being dinged... Just how did Obama "utterly destroy" the country. He just inherited all the crap that Bush screwed up.
phungus420
Deity
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Obama shouldn't be a leader in Civ for sure, but it's up to the modmaker of this mod to pick and choose who he sees fit. Don't like it, try another mod; it's that simple.
As far as utterly destoying this nation, what a joke. You're revisionist idiot, and it's people like you who have ruined the country; not mediocre politicians like Obama.
While I agree with some of your appreciations you really should post this in the off-topic section, this is not the place for political discussion.
PS: Just enjoy the mod.
I thought that Civ IV is just a game.... interesting and addictive but ... just a game .....
We all can express our feelings towards game leaders on game diplomatic field.
However.... make your most hated leader the head of some nice civ and ....conquer!
Do it before 1 AD and beer is on me
We all can express our feelings towards game leaders on game diplomatic field.
However.... make your most hated leader the head of some nice civ and ....conquer!
Do it before 1 AD and beer is on me
And bush inherited crap that clinton screwed up, there is no single politician in a america that has brought its fall from grace, its been slowly happenning for decades, its only now clearly noticable though.
Nerowannabe
Warlord
GhostWriter16
Deity
Good points all, and I think I did push my beliefs about Barrack Obama too strongly. My point, however, was not that he was a bad leader, at least for this thread.
My point was to say, does anyone think he can compete with the likes of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln? If not, he shouldn't be in the game.
Now, I personally do not like FDR as a leader. He did do some good during the war. However, the point is that I can UNDERSTAND the reasoning for FDR because a lot of people believe he was one of the best leader's of America. Can you say that about Obama?
It wasn't a post intended to cause trouble. Maybe I should have left the part about national destruction out. And, no, he isn't solely responsible, but he is helping.
Wait, his favorite civic is State Property? Funny.
Yes, I agree the mod-maker reserves the right to do as he wishes.
And, why is there a nation called Texas for George Bush to be the leader of?
My point was to say, does anyone think he can compete with the likes of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln? If not, he shouldn't be in the game.
Now, I personally do not like FDR as a leader. He did do some good during the war. However, the point is that I can UNDERSTAND the reasoning for FDR because a lot of people believe he was one of the best leader's of America. Can you say that about Obama?
It wasn't a post intended to cause trouble. Maybe I should have left the part about national destruction out. And, no, he isn't solely responsible, but he is helping.
Wait, his favorite civic is State Property? Funny.
Yes, I agree the mod-maker reserves the right to do as he wishes.
And, why is there a nation called Texas for George Bush to be the leader of?
GhostWriter16
Deity
Adolf Hitler
Traits: Charismatic/Aggressive
Favorite Civic: Police State
Favorite Religion: Judaism
Why is his favorite religion Judaism? A joke.
And don't make it Christianity, just because he says he is doesn't mean he really is.
In seriousness, he shouldn't have one. Lol.
Traits: Charismatic/Aggressive
Favorite Civic: Police State
Favorite Religion: Judaism
Why is his favorite religion Judaism? A joke.
And don't make it Christianity, just because he says he is doesn't mean he really is.
In seriousness, he shouldn't have one. Lol.
Not you, it is alright to talk about Civ 5.What have I done?!So, Grave, thinking of making another one for CiV?
Just take the Obama talk elsewere because Grave said he is not changing it.
You may be a big famous smart modmaker, but you've got some seriously bad taste. Seriously, Hitler fav religion JUDIASM! That's not even funny! And Nebuchadnezzer's fav religion of Judiasm?
AND YOU MADE OBAMA'S FAVORITE CIVIC STATE PROPERTY!!??
But I guess you did design a cool mod. It looks pretty cool. I think Obama's favorite civic should be Environmentalism.
AND YOU MADE OBAMA'S FAVORITE CIVIC STATE PROPERTY!!??
But I guess you did design a cool mod. It looks pretty cool. I think Obama's favorite civic should be Environmentalism.
Arian
No more ghostbusting!!
I agree with you completely. Stop this stupid ranting which has nothing to do with this mod. If you don't like State Property for Obama or Judaism for Hitler you can easily change it in XML.
