Bomb Blast in Bangkok

[Funky]

Shut up.

You are not using a tragedy in my old hometown to bash a religion.

And use commas for thousands separators like civilised people.

99 percent of terror attacks are committed by Muslims. Statistically speaking, it is extremely likely that this was done by a Muslim, even without any further information, simply because they do this all the time, every single day, multiple times. Not to mention he is apparently form Turkey. That is not saying that he definitely is a Muslim or, if he is, that he did it for Muslim reasons. But I really like how you translate the stating of facts into "bashing a religion".

 

[r16]

oh , he is not from Turkey but he is someone that can be linked to Turkey . The Thai simply do not want to get involved , having watched Vietnam burn for decades , even when they contributed to the fight in Laos and the like .

It surely wasn't a Muslim, they never do things like this. Well, apart from the over 26.000 lethal terror attacks since 9/11.

of course he isn't a Muslim , in the sense his actions serve the interests of those who want to broaden the "Crusade" into an even wider area . And trust me the Thai interest is not merely linked to keep Phuket as a favourite destination for the rich in Turkey .

 

[Formaldehyde]

99 percent of terror attacks are committed by Muslims. Statistically speaking, it is extremely likely that this was done by a Muslim, even without any further information, simply because they do this all the time, every single day, multiple times. Not to mention he is apparently form Turkey. That is not saying that he definitely is a Muslim or, if he is, that he did it for Muslim reasons. But I really like how you translate the stating of facts into "bashing a religion".

What is your source for this statement?

"Statistically speaking", the vast majority of Muslim terrorist attacks are against other Muslims.

8 facts you need to know about Islam and terrorism

5. The vast majority of the victims of Islamic terrorism are themselves members of the Muslim faith. This is a tragic but undeniable truth.

6. The chances that an American or a European — of any faith — will be victimized by an Islamic terrorist is vanishingly small.

And it obviously isn't true in Western society.

The number of terrorists who are actually Muslim or religiously motivated will surprise you

According to statistics from Europol, less than two per cent of all recorded acts of terror were perpetrated with religious motivations, with an even smaller number being committed by Muslim extremists.
Estimates suggest only around two per cent of all terrorist attacks were committed by Islamic groups or individuals.

For example, out of the 152 terrorist acts in the EU in 2013, only two were religiously motivated. In 2011, none of the 174 attacks were ‘inspired’ by religious organisations.

Are All Terrorists Muslims? It’s Not Even Close

Have you heard about the Buddhist terrorists? Well, extremist Buddhists have killed many Muslim civilians in Burma, and just a few months ago in Sri Lanka, some went on a violent rampage burning down Muslim homes and businesses and slaughtering four Muslims.

Or what about the (dare I mention them) Jewish terrorists? Per the 2013 State Department’s report on terrorism, there were 399 acts of terror committed by Israeli settlers in what are known as “price tag” attacks. These Jewish terrorists attacked Palestinian civilians causing physical injuries to 93 of them and also vandalized scores of mosques and Christian churches.

Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims. In actuality, 42 percent of terror attacks were carried out by Latino-related groups, followed by 24 percent perpetrated by extreme left-wing actors.

And as a 2014 study by University of North Carolina found, since the 9/11 attacks, Muslim-linked terrorism has claimed the lives of 37 Americans. In that same time period, more than 190,000 Americans were murdered (PDF).

In fact in 2013, it was actually more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a terrorist. In that year, three Americans were killed in the Boston Marathon bombing. How many people did toddlers kill in 2013? Five, all by accidentally shooting a gun.

 

[Hygro]

99 percent of terror attacks are committed by Muslims. Statistically speaking, it is extremely likely that this was done by a Muslim, even without any further information, simply because they do this all the time, every single day, multiple times. Not to mention he is apparently form Turkey. That is not saying that he definitely is a Muslim or, if he is, that he did it for Muslim reasons. But I really like how you translate the stating of facts into "bashing a religion".

 

[Aleksey_aka_al]

It surely wasn't a Muslim, they never do things like this. Well, apart from the over 26.000 lethal terror attacks since 9/11.

Uhm... is it when the #1 super power just let several jeopardized planes fly into its heart unstopped which gave it an ultimate excuse to attack countries overseas, Muslim ones? Yeah, those were Muslims! They have this suicide kamikaze spirit, you see. Next time they'll nuke someone with nuclear weapons (or its military base located on some minor expendable ally's territory)...

 

[Funky]

@Hygro:

So now we are talking about terror attacks in the EU from 2006 to 2008? When discussing global terror and its recent manifestation in Thailand? Wow.

Not to mention you found this chart on loonwatch, one of the most distortive apologist websites for Islam. The study it is based on uses a definition of "terrorism" which is so broad as to include more or less any criminal act. It admits that of the 579 non-Muslim "attacks", one single one was lethal, killing two people. But I guess that is equal to the tens of thousands who were killed by Muslims in the same time frame around the globe.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Yet that chart is obviously based on corroborated facts from the highly reputable source I provided earlier, which is apparently completely unlike your 99% figure that you still haven't even tried to defend.

Thai police arrest foreign man over Bangkok bombing

"It's unlikely to be terrorism. It's not an international terrorist act," Police chief Somyot Pumpanmuang told a news conference.

Somyot did not explain how police had come to that conclusion, but said the motive was "taking personal revenge for his comrades". He did not elaborate.

Even now it is obviously too soon to speculate what all this is about, despite your attempts to turn this into yet another "Islam is evil" thread.

 

[Basileus5]

What popmpous politically correct twaddle.Yes, the bomber IS muslim.
And the laughable PC invented "facts" about terror.....reminds me so much of the nazis inventing statistics against jews before WW2, only with less IQ involved.
No doubt the smug tripe above believe that muslim terrorism only "began in 2003" - one of the more ludicrous claims of the PC brigadre - clearly commited in 50s 60s 70s by time travelling jihadists, to say nothing about the massacres of Hindus in India way back, or the genocide of Armenian christians by those "Young Turks" in Armenia which so encouraged the final solution by Hitler et al
They are at war and commiting terrorist attacks against every other religion, yet somehow it's never their fault - it's the fault of jews, hindus, christians, uncle Tom Cobbley and all
No doubt when terrorism gets a little too close for comfort you may be tempted to remove your heads from the sand, PC ostriches

 

[Funky]

@Basileus:

Welcome to the site! It is good to see someone not letting himself be blinded by his ideology or by political correctness, but seeing the data for what it is. Beware though, an honest discussion of these matters has proven to be rather difficult in this forum.

 

[Ajidica]

Thai Police arrest man over bombing:

Mr Prawut said they believe the 28-year-old man they arrested "is a culprit in the same network".

But national police chief Somyot Pumpanmuang downplayed any suggestion that the suspect was connected to terrorism.

"He is a foreigner, but it's unlikely that he is an international terrorist, it's a personal feud," Mr Somyot told a televised news conference.

"He got angry on behalf of his friends and family members," he added, without elaborating.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-34095603

So, as of now, any links to potential Muslim terrorist groups remain purely speculative.

 

[Formaldehyde]

@Basileus:

Welcome to the site! It is good to see someone not letting himself be blinded by his ideology or by political correctness, but seeing the data for what it is.

In other words, just more of the same old Islamophobic "ideology" which you and others continue to "blindly" spread.

Beware though, an honest discussion of these matters has proven to be rather difficult in this forum.

You don't seem to know what the phrase "honest discussion" even means.

Speaking of which, we are still waiting for that source for your "99%" claim.

 

[Funky]

In other words, just more of the same old Islamophobic "ideology" which you and others continue to "blindly" spread.

You don't seem to know what the phrase "honest discussion" even means.

Speaking of which, we are still waiting for that source for your "99%" claim.

Being the good-hearted person that I am, I like to think that people can change. As you know, I have been ignoring your posts, since you have repeatedly proven to not be interested in a discussion but just in spreading your agenda by ignoring facts and smearing those with a different opinion. But it did not escape my attention that virtually after every post of mine in the last days a post by you followed. I thought, well who knows, maybe he has started to become rational. Alas, my hopes died quickly when I viewed your last post.

The mere fact that you still use the word "islamophobia", a non-defined buzz-word created by Islamic fascists, starting with the Muslim Brotherhood in the 1920s, later propagated by Chomeini in the 80s, and for ten years promoted by the propaganda arm of the OIC in order to silence any criticism of the religion, shows that you have no conception of what you are talking about. Or perhaps you do, which would mean that you openly collaborate with fascists. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

That you think that criticizing Islam could in some way be an ideology is baffling in its own regard.

But you wanted numbers. You know of course that in every thread on the topic I have posted many links. And we both know that you have never followed them, since you are not interested in facts. So instead of giving another link, let us have a look at the terror attacks that happened just in the past month. Not in a link, here in the post, where they are visible for everyone. Today is August 30, we shall start on July 30. In fact, let's just focus on lethal attacks, I don't have unlimited time. You are then free to show me just a handful of lethal terror attacks by other groups which happened in the same time. Deal? Ok, let's go.

July 30:

3 killed by landmine in Afghanistan
10 killed by suicide bomber in Syria
1 killed for performing "magic" in Syria
2 police officers killed by Islamists in Pakistan
9 killed by a suicide bomber in Iraq
5 killed by a suicide bomber in Iraq
6 killed by IS in Iraq
30 executed by IS in Iraq

July 31:

4 killed by IS in Iraq
2 killed by IS in Iraq
6 killed for apostacy in Syria
7 killed by IS in Libya
6 killed by suicide bomber in Nigeria
3 killed by Shiite rocket in Saudi Arabia
6 killed by al-Qaeda suicide bombers in Yemen
1 killed by mortar in Syria
11 killed by suicide bomber in Syria

August 1:

15 killed by IS in Iraq
2 killed by the Taliban in Afghanistan
2 killed by Al Qaeda in Mali
10 killed by Al Quaeda in Syria

August 2:

3 killed by Islamists in Iraq
5 killed by Boko Haram in Nigeria
3 killed by Islamists in Afghanistan
3 killed by IS in Syria
1 killed by Islamist in Thailand
4 killed by IS in Iraq
13 killed by Boko Haram in Nigeria

August 3:

6 killed by IS in Iraq
19 sex slaves executed by IS in Iraq
8 killed by IS in Iraq
3 killed for homosexuality in Iraq
1 killed by Jihadis in Iraq
1 killed by Jihadis in Pakistan
4 killed by the Taliban in Pakistan
11 killed by Al Quada in Mali
1 killed by IS in Syria

August 4:

1 killed by al-Shaabab in Somalia
2 killed by Jihadis in India
3 killed by IS in Iraq
1 killed by IS in Syria
1 killed by Jihadis in Thailand
7 killed by IS fighters in Cameroon
1 killed for homosexuality in Iraq
5 killed by Jihadists in Egypt

August 5:

4 killed by IS in Iraq
15 killed by IS in Iraq
13 killed by suicide bomber in Iraq
10 Shiites killed by Sunni bomb in Iraq
1 government officail killed by sharia proponents in Somalia
2 men beheaded with knives by IS in Syria
1 killed by Jihadist in Nigeria
5 killed by IS in Iraq
1 killed by IS in Iraq

Ok, forget about the whole month. I have work to do, and this is taking too long. There simply are too many attacks. This has been one week of Islamic terror - 54 lethal attacks. That's an average of almost eight per day. Feel free to look up the rest of month on ReligionOfPeace.

But what will you do now, after having been confronted with this tsunami of Muslim terror around the globe in just one week? You will deflect. You will discredit the ReligionOfPeace website. Just so you know, the previously mentioned site "loonwatch", one of the most shameless apologetic websites for Islam, has examined the list from ReligionOfPeace. They say to have found that 7 percent of the attacks listed were actually not terror attacks. Now, most of these attacks actually were terror attacks, but even if they weren't, that they agree that 93 percent of the attacks are correctly listed says enough. Of course every one of them can be googled. And presumably there are dozens or even hundreds of attacks each month that are not listed, merely because they are not covered by any news.

There is always the possibility that I am wrong. Maybe you will see the list and think "Oh man, we really have a problem with Islamic terror". Maybe you will realize that no other group or ideology comes remotely close to Islam in regard to terror-related deaths. Maybe you will finally wake up. I don't think it is likely. But I am open for surprises.

 

[Tahuti]

It surely wasn't a Muslim, they never do things like this. Well, apart from the over 26.000 lethal terror attacks since 9/11.

Why don't you become a Muslim if you fear getting killed by them? If you can't beat them, join them.

 

[Formaldehyde]

But you wanted numbers.

That's right. I want you to provide a reputable source that proves your previous statement to be factual:

99 percent of terror attacks are committed by Muslims.

Throwing out some random data from http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/, which is clearly an Islamophobic website, that isn't even labelled as being terrorist attacks doesn't qualify.

But thanks for providing yet another excellent example of what you think is an "honest discussion" in this matter.

 

[classical_hero]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/30/us-thailand-blast-suspect-idUSKCN0QZ0EV20150830

The evidence seized by police investigating Thailand's deadliest bombing includes an apparently damning trove of explosives, fertilizer, and piles of fake passports, but the shabby-looking foreigner they arrested on Saturday remains a mystery.

There has been no word of his nationality, affiliation or whether the evidence seized in a shabby Bangkok apartment block amounts to a smoking gun for the attack on a crowded downtown shrine that killed 20 people two weeks ago.

Reuters interviews with neighbors, investigators and the community in the city suburb of Nong Chok paint a picture of a reclusive and secretive Muslim who seldom ventured beyond the four rooms he occupied in the grimy orange and cream-colored building.

 

[Funky]

Throwing out some random data from http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/, which is clearly an Islamophobic website, that isn't even labelled as being terrorist attacks doesn't qualify.

Hehe. Guess there won't be a surprise. It is amusing though that after I predicted what your reaction would be and pre-emptively refuted it, you proceed precisely how I said you would, combined with your usual smear and use of fascist vocabulary. You are a hopeless cause and a disgrace to intellectual discourse. I was very patient with you, giving you several chances over the last weeks to get the curve. But I wasted more than enough time on you. Don't expect me to ever respond to you again.

 

[r16]

the Thais play it "safe" and declare there are no links to international terrorism . Not because they are afraid of us by any means but they can see China's hand in the Velvet or something Revolution that seems to have started in Malaysia and they have already done everything possible in the case of MH370 which was like totally under control as it travelled across Thai airspace . So we know the perpetrator is a 28 year old guy , hence it's known in Bangkok who he is and where he is . Now that it's to be a standart framing op , the Thais have also come up with the explanation that it's a fake passport ring , with the idiots thinking every letter in Turkish is a special case ; thus having spelled ıstanbul as iştanbül ... Or at least this is what Turkish newspapers claim . Also interesting in that the temple gets to be reported as an Hindu one . Don't know whether it's correct , a mistake of the journalist or a play on perception as Hindus are bigger killers of Muslims compared to Buddhists .

 

[Formaldehyde]

It is amusing though that after I predicted what your reaction would be and pre-emptively refuted it, you proceed precisely how I said you would, combined with your usual smear and use of fascist vocabulary.

Is that actually what you think you did by ignoring the obvious?

http://www.islamophobia.org/

Deah Shaddy Barakat, Yusor Mohammad Abu-Salha and Razan Mohammad Abu-Salha were murdered in Chapel Hill, N.C. on Feb. 10, 2015. The shooter, Craig Stephen Hicks, was known to hold “anti-Muslim views.” Hicks, a neighbor, had previously brandished a weapon at the three and also engaged in agitating many of the apartment complex residents' over parking issues. The victims’ families and local community believe that Hicks’s bias was a strong motivating factor in the murders.

The murders of the three young people, who came to be known as “Our Three Winners,” were the most heavily-covered act of violence targeting Muslims in recent memory.

They were not the only Muslim individuals subjected to violence due to their faith; at least two other men were murdered.

Abdisamad “Adam” Sheikh-Hussein, a 15-year-old Muslim boy, was murdered outside a Kansas City mosque. The teenager’s legs were severed when he was intentionally hit by an SUV outside the Somali Center of Kansas City. A male suspect in his 30s was taken into custody. Police said he had a machete and other weapons. A photo of the vehicle, taken two months previously, showed writing on the back window that read: “Quran is a virus disease woreste [sic] than Ebola.” Somali Center officials say the suspect had been threatening people in the Muslim community for months. According to media reports, that same man pointed a gun at them, threatening to kill them because of their faith.

Ziad Abu Naim was shot to death in Houston, Texas. A witness described the event, which occurred following a traffic incident: “(The BMW’s driver) stopped his car and rolled down his window. So, my friend rolled down the window and the guy yelled ‘Go back to Islam.’ That’s when my friend got upset. He got out his car and when I looked I saw him walk out the car. Next thing, I heard a pop.”

There were also incidents in which attackers fired shots at their victims.

Army National Guard Reservist Clay Sidney Allred fired an AK-47-style assault weapon several times outside a Tampa, Fla. gas station after getting into an argument with a clerk and telling him, "I don't like your people.” When Allred was arrested, police found several weapons and military gear inside his vehicle. The weapons included “two pistols, an assault rifle, a hatchet” and “armor piercing ammo.”

In Maine, a customer allegedly shouted “I hate Somali people” and “I hate black people” at a Muslim taxi driver before threatening to kill him, smashing his windshield and then taking a shot at him. The alleged attacker was arrested by Westbrook, Maine police and charged with criminal threatening with a dangerous weapon, aggravated reckless conduct with a dangerous weapon and falsifying physical evidence.

Other assaults were physical.

A man threated to behead a New York Arab and Muslim community leader and one of her staff to “see how your people feel.” Linda Sarsour reported on Facebook, “My Deputy Director and I were harassed and assaulted by a bigoted drunk who hurled hateful Islamophobic and anti-Arab epithets at us on 5th Avenue in Bay Ridge. . .he ran after us and picked up a huge NYC metal garbage can and threw it at us causing us to have to run into oncoming traffic.”

Also in New York, a former Marine physically accosted a head-scarfed woman who was nine months pregnant who was pushing her two-year-old in a stroller. The attacker tried to grab the child and also pushed the woman’s husband to the ground. He was charged “with assault and harassment as a hate crime, as well as menacing and endangering the welfare of a child.”

Suspect James Tree attacked a Muslim 7-Eleven manager and also made threats to another clerk in Troy, Mich. He approached the manager while verbally accosting the manager’s faith and ethnicity. The manager sustained injuries but did not require hospitalization.

In Seattle, a Muslim taxi driver, who is of Somali heritage, was punched repeatedly in the face while driving, causing him to lose consciousness and hit two parked cars and crash into an apartment building. A local television station said 26-year old Jesse Fleming, a member of the U.S. Navy who is stationed in Everett and who was one of the three alleged perpetrators, reportedly called his victim a “terrorist” and “ISIS” and then said “I am in the military. I am going to shoot you.” The other two men involved in the beating fled from the scene.

There are far more incidents of this sort against individuals, groups, and mosques documented on this website.

Islamophobia in the US has been rampant ever since 9/11, and it has been pervasive in Europe long before that. The websites which you continue to use to find hate-filled rhetoric against Islam are obviously Islamophobic.

Islam, just like any other religion, has plenty of opportunities to criticize it in meaningful and rational ways. But that is clearly not what is occurring at the sites which you continue to use.

 

[r16]

hey , the high tech version , too . Some tech from a major US Corporation building up an X-ray gun to irradiate Muslim lookin' types on the streets . He's supposedly waiting a decision after 2 years of court . The FBI and stuff labels him a terrorist as far as Turkish newspapers report it .

and the bomber dude is also captured , a good thing , too .

 

[caketastydelish]

I hear bomberman-type are always hard to capture.