BOTWAWKI Revised Thread

Me too, and I'm very sedentary these days.
I figure he's figuring in all sorts of little critters, bandits, monsters, boulders, etc...
Otoh the Narwhals pulled a nice overland march much further than that, but did lose one quarter of their people despite militia training and fairly good weapons.
 
EQ: Good update, and I have read the Lessons of the Wasteland, I guess that my questions were not so much about the GLOBAL economy so much as expressing concern that my monetary and fiscal policies would be sound enough to maintain a local Agrestic economy and maintain a functional currency so that the various elements of "The Community" contributed in a meaningful way. This probably requires a significantly more nuanced picture of the local division of labor than I've provided though.

More interesting though is the note about the power armor. It was not my understanding that I was using it as a weapon that much, there are the ones that go scavenging because I figure they can get around defensive perimeters and then the other three just patrol around my borders with groups of heavily armed men, serving as a moving shield and attempting to maintain a psychological effect regarding the sturdiness of my defenses rather than so much raid and invade things.

I guess what I am saying is that I continue to fail at understanding the power armor even after that note, I had read that note already, I thought I was using them properly.

I'll get my orders and start working on a story or two later, again, solid update. But I do want you to know that the Overseers Challenge you gave me... I keep trying to outline stories for it in my head and I keep running headlong at top speed into PC walls about terminology, as though I possessed certain mental handicaps that would not make me a less significant human being in any way.

:lol:
 
EQ, are there communities of survivors around that are not powerful enough to be considered actual factions, but still communities (2-3 families at most) nonetheless: places like Primm or Aferu or Novac. Not large enough to be towns, but still are a small concentration of people. (IE, annexe able camps :p)
 
The Sun was setting over the burned skyline of New York City as the Narwhal squad set up camp on the broken roof of the large building they had been scavenging for anything Narwhal City could use. The building was a nondescript office building, one of many cookie cutter buildings that had once stood in this Manhattan Neighborhood. Once an administrative office for the Nuka-Cola Mega Corporation, this building had proven to be barely worth the effort of salvageing. A few crates of pristine Nuka Cola and one of Nuka Cola Quantum, as well as some intact books in a safe, but nothing that would really be of interest to the Military of the Narwhal.

The Camp Fire lit the broken walls dully as the squad prepared for sleep. One of the two guards on watch duty poked at the fire, brushing embers and ashes around and glanced at the other guard and smirked.

“So, Sid, nervous, Kid?”

“A bit. This is my first time out.” he paused and looked out into the broken skyline, “Well. My first time out with the Legion. My family came in to Narwhal City three years ago. And we were running for our lives most of the time before that. So, this is my first time out with what looks to be a decent chance of getting home.”

“Damn Right. Huscarl Charles, there, is the best Huscarl in the entire Legion.” He gestured towards the sleeping form of their commanding officer, who turned in his sleep, murmuring something about a steel plague and a lion fighting.

“Right.” There was a long pause, as the moon slowly crawled through the night sky. “Tom?”

“Yeah, Kid?”

“Why do we use names like Karl and Huscarl? From what I learned in school, no old army used those names. They had things like private and soldier and general.”

“Well, the Cap'n himself hit on this this idea. He said that we weren't the United States, but only it's heirs, and so it wouldn't be proper for us to go and take the titles they used for their army. So, he looked in some books that we found back when we first surfaced. It was some fancy pre-war encyclopedia, though most of it was too burned to read. Ahab read it, and found some reference to an old empire that called its soldiers it's Legion. Supposedly ruled over much of the world, but... they fell.” He paused to poke at the fire again.

“Why the names?”

“Right. The Book didn't tell us enough about the actual Legions themselves, so we don't know how they ranked their soldiers, but in the book there was something about another people, and something about the names they used rang true with the Cap'n. So, that's why we got Karls at the bottom, with a Huscarl commanding nine karls. Above them are the Jarls, each commanding ten Huscarls. Above them are the Captains, and they report only to the Cap'n himself.”

“Is it true Cap'n is going to appoint another Captain? I heard he wanted to send out another settlment.”

“He has too, right, Kid? We're loosing contact with Captain Reynold's bunch. Not their fault, of course, but it's going to help us all if we get another settlement halfway. Now, Kid, go wake John and Moses, it's our turn to sleep.”
 
Well as a note to everyone: apologies for the delay in responding, and the update is currently scheduled to be done on Saturday. As a special treat, I'll be providing a rating of power, population, and wealth in the wastelands as well as various other statistics.

In regards to the "2 km as a big distance" issue: I'm referring to Toteone's vault which is in the middle of New York City's most urban area. Yes, it's walkable, easily. However, he did not mention a direction, particularly since 2 km in a few directions would put him into the ocean or river. When it comes to that area, yes, 2 km is a big distance.

@Milarqui: Apologies, I excluded the Fort Drum from the update. It is still highly irradiated.

@anonymoose: The choice was dying of thirst or drinking unfiltered water. Which would you choose?

@Toteone: Colton is in Oregon. There's no way to negotiate with them, and you shouldn't even be aware of their existance. Also, these are still descendants of Americans, and traditionally the USA hasn't really gone much for ritual human sacrifice. Therefore it's quite likely that your vault will remain rather unhappy with the current state of affairs. Population growth is mostly random, but yes, I have reduced it to a more realistic level.

@SKILORD: I think I must have been misunderstanding your misunderstanding. I was not aware of your thoughts towards the power armor, as I was assuming Fallout use, which typically just uses the power armored folk as heavy, well-armed, infantry. Good ideas on that. As for your economy. It's a difficult matter, as it's hard to set a standard for a currency with a survival economy. If you have a currency though, no worries, I'm just wondering about your thoughts on how the government enforces such currency, not to mention, do they create more? As for the Overseer's Challenge, yes, I felt you could use a fun challenge in that respect. It's a bit of a more serious one than most people have gotten, but hey, you've got to do what you've got to do. Political Correctedness can go to hell.

@thomas.berubug: There may be scattered families and so forth living in old ruins, yes. I would not say anything like Primm or Arefu though. There are wandering tribals, mostly in the more open areas, those are probably the closest things to any of those. I'd say we'll not get any small village type settlements for a while yet.
 
what would be the costs for setting up basic ammunition foundries? (basic bullets and gunpowder aren't really hard to make, right?)
 
Important: I have determined to allow the production of Ammunition by the conversion of Tech Parts. It seems suitable enough, but it will use up your tech parts at a rather quick pace. The price for conversions is 1 Tech Part for 50 Ammunition, this has been edited into the second post on the front page. Without further ado, here is the current ratings.

Statistics of the Wasteland:

Total Civilized (I.e. player) Population: 18,725 (# includes slaves in total)
Food Units Produced per Year: 12,150
Water Units Produced per Year: 12,070
Energy Units Produced per Year: 1
Average Weapons per Person: 0.353

Faction Ratings​

Most Loyal People

1. Earth Reclamation Command/Vutg
3. Fort Morgan Refuge
4. Vault 100
5. Jeffersonian Libertarians

Largest Population (Including Percent of Total)

1. Jeffersonian Libertarians (9%)
2. Wild Wolves (9%)
3. Vault 215 (7%)
4. Vutg (7%)
5. Earth Reclamation Command (7%)

Most Productive (Includes all Forms of Production per turn)

1. Vault 41
2. Vault 215
3. Vutg
4. Kritarchy of United Slavers/Vault 100/Vault 2/Wild Wolves

Best Armed Population (Most Weapons, not Quality)

1. Earth Reclamation Command
2. Wild Wolves
3. New Frostburk
4. Kritarchy of United Slavers
5. Deifenbunker

Largest Communities

1. Homecave (Wild Wolves; 1,600)
2. New Lafayette (Kritarchy of United Slavers; 1,275)
3. Vault 100 (Vault 100; 1,240)
4. Vault 9 (Vutg; 1,225)
5. Government Camp (Vault 215; 1,180)
 
I assume that what you are saying about power armor is that people in power armor are not necessarily unable to carry guns, while I have avoided giving them other weapons? If that is the case then I still think I'll keep doing it this way.

Now, as far as the economy, and I am glad that we're on the same page here now, that's what I was saying in the PM about getting rescheduled out of Macro this semester. In fact I was taking both Political Economy and Macroeconomics (always found the two somewhat interesting and with the political and economic scenario we live in at present I thought they would be helpful courses with the potential to teach me useful things) and then my Political Science professor thought it would be funny to put me in his Democratic political systems class instead and by the time I realized this it was much too late to get back into macro and, on top of that I have a paper due in like seven hours for that stupid class, so pardon me if I seem a bit tweaked out or long winded. (essentially I am taking a break from writing long-winded diatribes about the quality of democracy in South Korea in favor of writing long winded diatribes about the stupid class and also post-apocalyptic economics)

My thoughts on the economy were like this: I understand that for most of history even after the introduction of currency capitalist markets operated more or less like glorified barter systems, with currencies either backed by and redeemable in gold or directly made of the stuff, after industrialization we began a slide towards using exchange rates to value our currency (which is more or less the way it works now). Clearly I do not have industrial production or any trading partners. My economy is more or less based on fear and food.

When the Farmers deposit their harvest in the Community stockpiles they are paid in a currency that for the sake of simplicity we will call dollars. The reason they place their food there is not because they value the currency so much as it provides a safe place to protect their food from raiders and to ensure that their food supplies last out any season. In essence they rent the supply space from the community, are paid up front for it and then return that money for their own food. The security forces and the small bureaucracy (I am specifically thinking of the Mayor and his secretary, although there are probably a couple others) are paid in this same currency, other segments of the population would obtain this currency by providing goods and services to the farmers or soldiers. As long as my farms provide enough food and my farmers continue to feel the pressures endemic to being my bulwark this should work out.

I would try to keep the money supply as limited as possible, with intricate designs on the bills and an open space to print serial numbers in an again specially carved font (would small wooden stamps satisfy you for the serial numbers or would you rather I explained it with the admittedly easier to counterfeit typewriter?). I will probably work on the obvious employment problems here this turn, probably print a little extra currency to distribute by employing teachers and nurses, but that is all order/story stuff about specific applications of that monetary policy rather than a broad understanding of what I'm going for. I hope that this post provides the latter.
 
Horacio Mendez smiled as his Gang, the Purple Mountains (named after the Sierra Madre Occidental range where his father once lead drug wars to control the corridor into California.) has sucessfully convinced another of the Los Pedidos to join them. Already, with the gate open and with open refusal of the Code, they have used intimidation to convince more and more of the undecided into their camp.

Beneath the jail block that they called their home are a few more of the Perdidos who are cracking under the whip.

"This Code of Honor" he said to his followers, "Is a useless relict of the past!" His fellow gansters roared in approval, "We are now free of the past! We must tear this one last obstacle down and break out into the future. No guards left to offend, no safety protocals to follow! The ancient wars of our Forefathers is good for us all!"

"A very nice speech," spoke a low voice, "Prepare to justify it."

Suddenly, his two guards had their machine-pistols ripped from their hands, knocked unconcious with a single blow and tossed down the side. Mendez felt a knife in the fingers that grabbed his head and throat, pulling him from the window. Later, he felt nothing at all as a wet cloth sent him to a deep sleep.

Below, his gang members milled in confusion. Where is their leader that will lead the revolt? Who will free the armoury and live like bandits of their fathers stories? At that time, militia, actually the remainders of the Grey Guard, marched out of the shadows. Although they have pushed for unity of the guard and prisoner population, Francis still found their training useful. They have achieved their goal of freeing Blood Mesa, and are now set to keep it safe.

Dozens of gangsters simply surrendered, knowing it was death or worse to fight. Some of the more fanatical ones pushed against the plastic shields until beaten down with sticks. Others tried to convince the Militia section, composed of gangsters from other gangs, to let they free. There was no mercy as every single one of the Purple Mountain was collected.

--------------------------------

Darkness.

Horacio woke up with a jolt. A single, glaringly bright light shone in his face as a familiar face appeared out of the darkness. "My Friend, what where you saying?"

Horacio looked into Alfred's Face and shuddered. "Just... want to reword code... was to deceive guards not actual rules for wasteland..."

"Was that truly what you meant?" whispered the Leader of Guards, fingering a small scalpel, "It would be so unpleasant for you and your followers if you were lying..."

"Enough" said a voice both kind yet forceful. Francis appeared in the door way, "I want to speak with him. Alone."

"Very well, your Martiness." spoke the man cloaked in shadows and grayness. He seemed to melt into the background and out the door.

"So. We all know that we might be the last people on this planet. You know about the War for the Rio Grande Route?"

The shaken prisoner, once gang leader, can only shudder and nod.

"It cost them three thousand deaths, and in a wide area. Now, imagine a gang war, with the very last people on this planet. Won't it be bad?"

Horacio, realizing that he is out of danger. Gave a relieved nod. And spoke, "Yes."

"We are going to rewrite the Code. Here and now. You, me, all the Gang Leaders including Gondorez from Casa Grande and the Guards and the Pedidos. We will make the code into a Law, a Law for all to follow so we can retake the world without staining it with the last of our blood."

He cut free the prisoner, "Come, and let us discuss our visions of the future at the Prison Block: Warden's Gate."
 
This is the 24 hour warning. A bad sign, since only two sets of orders are in.
 
EQandcivfanatic said:
@Toteone: Colton is in Oregon. There's no way to negotiate with them, and you shouldn't even be aware of their existance. Also, these are still descendants of Americans, and traditionally the USA hasn't really gone much for ritual human sacrifice. Therefore it's quite likely that your vault will remain rather unhappy with the current state of affairs. Population growth is mostly random, but yes, I have reduced it to a more realistic level.
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1. Right, sorry, I knew they were way over there, but was just using their price as a boilerplate to keep mine more realistic. I'll keep negotiations with Thomas the Narwhales more OOC. Not that I think they'll ever let go of as much as a sword <_<...
2. Well it's not ritual human sacrifice, but I agree with you. Just had to know for sure whether the morale staying the same was their having consciences.
1-3. Thanks for all answers.

Thanks for the order warning.
 
EQandcivfanatic said:
... As for the Overseer's Challenge, yes, I felt you [Skilord] could use a fun challenge in that respect. It's a bit of a more serious one than most people have gotten...
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*grarghlee*
... At least I didn't get the radiation-leaking Vault... In comparison the 2000 resources a turn will save a lot of lives and suffering in the long run. As you say about political correctness... *sigh*... not that I'd do it in real life. Or would I? ... Probably not. There are some principles worth dying for, but how much of my population would disagree. Hmmm perhaps I can split up. Or invite immigrants to join a lottery, that'd be like Watership's Down's rabbit farm.
 
Hey, EQ: theoretically speaking, how mobile is my submarine? (if I move most of the civilians into homes on the shore, can I send it out exploring, for example?)
 
EQ, I have two rather specific inquiries in regard to the Wasteland and pre-war America.

Firstly, how educated are the people of the Wasteland generally speaking, and how did they obtain this education? I don't expect a university education, but are they at least literate?

Secondly, how far exactly has nuclear technology progressed? Do we have mini-reactors that could conceivably power machinery if they could be repaired? What types of power plants did America have just before the bombs fell?
 
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