Brave New World's 9 new Civs

[MacAttack]

Top 3 "Dark Horse" civs that could be in the game that have never been in any civ version before (no particular order):
1. Phoenicia
2. Israel (Biblical Era)
3. A Native American tribe outside the ones already used
***Note: I know this last one is cheating but I could not decide between the Navajo, Cherokee, and Apache.

One of these will appear in the game. My bold prediction and opinion.

 

[hemoglobin]

Assuming Assyria is in, the Zulu are probably a given and definitely Portugal. As for the other 5, I'll guess:

Italy (Lorenzo) (Hard to ignore the artisan epicentre, even with the Roman Empire already on board. After all, the Byzantine Empire is already in the game)

Sikh/Punjab (Ranjit Singh) (Something for that Persian/India midpoint)

Sioux (Sitting Bull) or Apache (Cochise) (I think a second Native American is a given)

Brazil (Dom Pedro II) or something fronted by Simon Bolivar (Ignoring both is too big a deal)

Indonesia (Dharmasetu?)

 

[chrisjwmartin]

Native Americans are already well-represented in the game.

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[ferretbacon]

Top 3 "Dark Horse" civs that could be in the game that have never been in any civ version before (no particular order):
1. Phoenicia
2. Israel (Biblical Era)
3. A Native American tribe outside the ones already used
***Note: I know this last one is cheating but I could not decide between the Navajo, Cherokee, and Apache.

One of these will appear in the game. My bold prediction and opinion.

I'd like to add the Inuit and Nepal/Tibet. Either would be surprising, but not unwelcome as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Native Americans are already well-represented in the game

Wow. Nice.

 

[Cryopyre]

Native Americans are already well-represented in the game.

 

[Bechhold]

Hoping for the Kongo, and Brazil. Perhaps Portugal, and maybe even the Olmec but who knows.

 

[WillBill]

You do realize what you are implying right? That any N. American Civ is not worthy to get in?

You dont understand my compleining. I just sayin Native americans = Stand BY Other Contries (like Poland) HELL YEAH!

 

[seasnake]

Okay, so my two cents:

1) Poland (duh)
2) Assyria (yes, I'm on board with the other snoops).

In light of the scenarios and features announced I would expect the following:

3) Portugal (trade routes and major player in the scramble for Africa).
4) Kongo (a must in my opinion for an Africa scenario)
5) Zulu (Africa needs more than one civ to play, South Africa was strategically super important and is not represented, Zulu have legacy of being in Civ)
6) Cherokee (Civil War scenario, the Cherokee nation fought on both sides)

In light of the wonders/units/features

7) Indonesia (Borobudur is located within, trade is now paramount, area under-represented).
8) ???
9) ???

 

[Dragonflow]

Has it maybe occurred to the people demanding Native American civs that maybe those civs aren't exactly what most people would describe as awe-inspiring?
Maybe they are so under represented because they pale compared to Europe, Asia or Africa?

Spoiler :

Native North American:

Asian and European architecture:

They don't exactly shine compared to other civilizations.

Maybe they are the people you fight in camps?
Points could be made that cultures like Goth, Vandals, Timurids, Moors and other barbarians are equally or more deserving the North American Natives.

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[WillBill]

You mean like the Zulu being in every single Civilization game* in history?

* - Main series only. Alpha Centauri and Colonization games not included

You have to compare Zulu with US, they represent the continent. Sioux just be there for you american guys.

 

[chrisjwmartin]

6) Cherokee (Civil War scenario, the Cherokee nation fought on both sides)

Right, I would also pick the Cherokee as the most relevant Native civ in the ACW. And there are a lot of people in the US who claim Cherokee descent because it's trendy, which would be a sales perk.

 

[Gucumatz]

Zulu represent the continent?

 

[Kwami]

That's why he have more European civs then out of any other region, right?

Are you suggesting that the European civs are there to sell more copies of the game in European countries? European history is hugely popular in the States. Also, could you really imagine a civilization-themed game that didn't include, say, Greece?

 

[WillBill]

Zulu represent the continent?

As a major Empire, yes, like Egipt.

 

[chrisjwmartin]

Has it maybe occurred to the people demanding Native American civs that maybe those civs aren't exactly what most people would describe as awe-inspiring?
Maybe they are so under represented because they pale compared to Europe, Asia or Africa?

They don't exactly shine compared to other civilizations.

Maybe they are the people you fight in camps?
Points could be made that cultures like Goth, Vandals, Timurids, Moors and other barbarians are equally or more deserving the North American Natives.

This. All of it, except that the Moors built the Alhambra and had numerous scientific advances, whereas the native Americans, umm...

 

[Dragonflow]

Are you suggesting that the European civs are there to sell more copies of the game in European countries? European history is hugely popular in the States. Also, could you really imagine a civilization-themed game that didn't include, say, Greece?

Never meant that. Of course European civilizations are hugely important and the ones included in Civ5 are all good choices.
My point was that the major markets are the US and Europe.
I guess I formulated by reply kind of poorly and shot myself in the knee with that.

This. All of it, except that the Moors built the Alhambra and had numerous scientific advances, whereas the native Americans, umm...

Ooops, didn't mean Moors are actual barbarians. I meant that in-game they are lumped into the barbarian/city-state group.

 

[Gamgee]

Well somewhere along the way this thread had to go form being peaceful and fun to mildly racist. Lovely.

 

[Ikael]

I don't view native americans as "barbarians" in the sense of being bloothirsy or agressive (we Europeans got that part covered), but from an objective point of view, they carried really little weight in the world's history or in shaping the current world. Very small urban popullation, barely influenced any other civilization's culture, few technological breaktroughts, the only ones that were able to rise into a cohesive political entity beyond the tribe was the Iroquois semi-federation. If looking for truthly important native American civs, one has to look further south (Mayans, Aztecs, and specially the Incans).

There are far, far more important civs that deserve another spot and that are not necessarily European (Khmer, Indonesia, Mali, Kongo, Phoenicia, Afganistan...). Giving a spot to another Native American tribe is akin to give it to the Tupis or Guarani tribes, which are, you know, tribes, rather tha civilizations (and tribes that have been able to survive up to nowadays, unlike many of the North American ones).

 

[chrisjwmartin]

I guess I formulated by reply kind of poorly and shot myself in the knee with that.

Maybe you should become a city guard.

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