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What about the Normans as a new civ?
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When speculating about new civilizations, few people mention Burma.
I'm not too familiar with Burmese history, but as far as I understand they were one of the most important civilizations in South-east Asia and they actually held the largest empire in the history of that region (under Taungoo dynasty), according to Wikipedia:
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Does anyone consider the possibility of Burma being included?
But who cares, except for people who want to get every corner if an Earth map filled?
I've heard of the idea of a Rangoon city state thrown around.
When speculating about new civilizations, few people mention Burma.
I'm not too familiar with Burmese history, but as far as I understand they were one of the most important civilizations in South-east Asia and they actually held the largest empire in the history of that region (under Taungoo dynasty), according to Wikipedia:
Spoiler :
Does anyone consider the possibility of Burma being included?
Yes but Siam will need to be changed
SnowKomodo
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When speculating about new civilizations, few people mention Burma.
I'm not too familiar with Burmese history, but as far as I understand they were one of the most important civilizations in South-east Asia and they actually held the largest empire in the history of that region (under Taungoo dynasty), according to Wikipedia:
Spoiler :
Does anyone consider the possibility of Burma being included?
Majapahit, not Burma, was the largest empire in Southeast Asia's entire history.
But I definitely agree the Taungoo Empire deserves more discussion that it gets. It was HUGE.
Pretty much most of South and Southeast Asia does, but the Western world does a terrible job at providing information for it - I was at Barnes and Nobles today and they had zero - count it, zero - books on Indonesia, the world's 4th most populous nation.
Dragonflow
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Possible, as the Motte&Bailley is on the PAX poster and most of the UIs on that poster now seem to belong to civs(Château for France, Feitoria for Portugal and that Moroccan tading post thingy).
I think, generally speaking, if you're going to offer up a civilization that hasn't really been thrown around yet, the best way to test out whether it has a chance or not is to also try to offer a potential leader and some kind of UA/UB that would make sense with the expansion or otherwise add to the game.
Everyone can toss out names of nations/kingdoms/peoples, but if you can't think of a good leader or give us a sense of the civ's identity and how it would translate to the game, it's kind of tough to test out its potential for inclusion, especially since there are already so many other candidates that would make sense that we have discussed.
Everyone can toss out names of nations/kingdoms/peoples, but if you can't think of a good leader or give us a sense of the civ's identity and how it would translate to the game, it's kind of tough to test out its potential for inclusion, especially since there are already so many other candidates that would make sense that we have discussed.
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It would explain the Motte & Bailey on the poster. Who would lead though? We already have a William I.
Dragonflow
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Roger II of Sicily could lead the Normans if they aren't merely focused on the Normandy Normans.
cybrxkhan
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Personally I wouldnt want to see a Norman civ, but I admit I have a soft spot for Wiliam I.
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William the Conqueror aka William the Bastard.
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They probably mean William the Conqueror...
I would welcome a Norman civ...or a mod of one...just not before an Armenian or Venetian civ.
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I don't want to see a Norman civ either. I'm pretty biased against them though because of the historical fiction that I like to read. And my family surname dates back to pre-Norman England, so I tend to see them as evil invaders.
That was rather short though wasn't it? Naresuan more or less took everything back in his reign (beginning in 1590).
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Still a very significant kingdom nonetheless.
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cybrxkhan
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Burma would be awesome (as would any SE Asian civ), but I think Indonesia/Majaphit, Vietnam, and even the Khmer have a better chance than Burma, just because compared to these there's little known about Burma to even those with a casual knowledge of hstory except for maybe Aung Suu Kyi and the current military junta and maybe its role in WWII.
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There's the Pagan empire which, albeit smaller, was the major power in South-east Asia for three centuries (c1000-1300) alongside with the Khmer.
In your opinion, how important was Burma in the history of the region?
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Ah, no. My surname comes from the anglo-saxon title Gerefa, which was a sort of position below nobility but above commoner with a job description that included collecting taxes, general administration, law enforcement, and raising the fyrd in times of war. Think mayor, sheriff, IRS agent, and army draft board all rolled into one.
My forum handle comes from the family motto, Aquila non captat muscus. Eagle does not catch flies. Therefore, the Eagle has greater Pursuits.
IMHO, I'd say it depends on how you value Siam. They conquered Siam twice but never held it for very long IIRC. The first time they conquered Ayutthaya, we had Naresuan. The second time, they ransacked the capital and razed it to the ground. Taksin (not to be confused with the Ex-PM) moved the capital to Thonburi as a result (and took everything the Burmese conquered back). The capital was moved across to the other side of the Chao Phraya River by the next king and that is why Thonburi is now part of Bangkok.
TLDR; Bangkok is the capital of Thailand thanks to them.
However, this is Burma in general; I'm not sure how long this dynasty lasted.
Edit: just checked, the huge Taungoo kingdom you see above lasted 15 years (both Siam and Manipur revolted), and the second sacking of Ayutthaya was by a successive kingdom after the fall of Taungoo, so Taungoo itself doesn't seem that influential.
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