Brave New World's 9 new Civs

[phaethon16]

If they need women then Vietnam's Trung Trac is an excellent candidate. I think that there will be one civ that will be a complete dark horse, that few if any will expect.

 

[tnick777]

From what I vaguely remember of the G&K scenarios, there's no need for the civ's normal leader to be one relevant to the scenario. Heck, they might even just end up using static leaderheads anyways, meaning Morocco can get any leader they feel fit.

Yeah I understand that. I mean Napoleon was in the ITR scenario, Askia was Saladin in the same scenario, most of the Domesday people were different, etc. I just think that this scenario is one of the bigger things about this game that they'd make the leader that relevant. And it isn't a bad choice either. This is arguably one of the better times of Moroccan history.

 

[cybrxkhan]

If they need women then Vietnam's Trung Trac is an excellent candidate. I think that there will be one civ that will be a complete dark horse, that few if any will expect.

A number of us here have been expected either Vietnam and Indonesia as the Asian civ. Vietnam's chances are, though, better than I expected when BNW was first announced.

 

[Loaf Warden]

If they need women then Vietnam's Trung Trac is an excellent candidate. I think that there will be one civ that will be a complete dark horse, that few if any will expect.

If they do add Vietnam, my first choice for a leader would be Nguyen Anh. But Trung Trac would probably be more likely, since we know they are looking for female leaders these days, and not enough of the female leaders we do have are non-Western. Either one would be okay by me, as long as it wasn't Ho Chi Minh and a purely Vietnam War-based Ideology-driven civ.

The Philippines was mentioned, and that would be an interesting dark horse. As long as the leader wasn't (shudder) Ferdinand or Imelda Marcos. Emilio Aguinaldo would be my choice.

 

[cybrxkhan]

If they do add Vietnam, my first choice for a leader would be Nguyen Anh. But Trung Trac would probably be more likely, since we know they are looking for female leaders these days, and not enough of the female leaders we do have are non-Western. Either one would be okay by me, as long as it wasn't Ho Chi Minh and a purely Vietnam War-based Ideology-driven civ.

Personally my first choice for leader would be Quang Truong. I am slightly biased as my family seems to not have too high regard for the Nguyen dynasty overall, though I think Nguyen Anh was competent enough, but still Vietnam has a good number of leaders to pick from besides those guys - Le Loi, Tran Hung Dao, etc.

I do think Trung Trac has a very good chance though indeed, given she's female, though she would be deserving enough given the national hero status of the Trung sisters.

 

[tnick777]

I feel like there's something with the Axemen unit (while it was barbarian)... Something like a Germanic tribe like the Lombards or the Alemmani could have got them thinking "hey lets just make an axemen unit available to all civs"

 

[cybrxkhan]

I feel like there's something with the Axemen unit (while it was barbarian)... Something like a Germanic tribe like the Lombards or the Alemmani could have got them thinking "hey lets just make an axemen unit available to all civs"

That unit looks undeniably esatern native American, though, given that it uses a tomahawk and has a mohawk hairstyle, which is characteristic of eastern native American groups.

 

[SnowKomodo]

A number of us here have been expected either Vietnam and Indonesia as the Asian civ. Vietnam's chances are, though, better than I expected when BNW was first announced.

Not to sound like a broken record but: I really thought this was Indonesia's chance to shine but now it's increasingly looking like they are to get shafted yet again. The whole trading aspect really seemed to fit the bill for them so I think that's why I had my hopes up more than usual

I know it's a Western market so you appeal to that market first and foremost which I'm completely fine with and can appreciate even right now but I just feel like it's long overdue. 5 games, 2 expansions, 0 inclusions of ANY of their empires in any way, shape or form. Any at all. I mean, really? Hell, I'd even take another civ that loosely overlaps with them at this point but there hasn't even been that. (Well, I guess you could say Netherlands overlaps - Dutch East India Company would not have been nearly as famous if not for Indonesia - certainly not to the point where it would be the name of the UA in a certain 2012 video game expansion...)

We're not just talking about the Philippines here (sorry just an example but I love ya guys and your country is pretty awesome) - we're talking about a full-on historical powerhouse for its region (and if you limit it to just trade/relations, then a historical powerhouse worldwide since the 1st Century)

Having said all that, I'll be happy if Vietnam makes it, not so much that I care but because I know there are a lot of Vietnam supporters here as well and it would be strange for SE Asia to get shafted of two high-potential civs

So as it stands, Vietnam is the one I think will make it in the expansion but I don't have any hard evidence to support it. Just that I can't think of another civ that fits in the alphabetical and city-state theories (both which keep Vietnam alive) that makes more sense than them at this point

 

[bite]

Its highly unlikely that they would not have at least 1 east asian civ in this expansion, though the question becomes which one, Khmer, Vietnam and Indonesia all have a good shot, but then it could be something completely different

 

[cybrxkhan]

Not to sound like a broken record but: I really thought this was Indonesia's chance to shine but now it's increasingly looking like they are to get shafted yet again. The whole trading aspect really seemed to fit the bill for them so I think that's why I had my hopes up more than usual

I know it's a Western market so you appeal to that market first and foremost which I'm completely fine with and can appreciate even right now but I just feel like it's long overdue. 5 games, 2 expansions, 0 inclusions of ANY of their empires in any way, shape or form. Any at all. I mean, really? Hell, I'd even take another civ that loosely overlaps with them at this point but there hasn't even been that. (Well, I guess you could say Netherlands overlaps - Dutch East India Company would not have been nearly as famous if not for Indonesia - certainly not to the point where it would be the name of the UA in a certain 2012 video game expansion...)

We're not just talking about the Philippines here (sorry just an example but I love ya guys and your country is pretty awesome) - we're talking about a full-on historical powerhouse for its region (and if you limit it to just trade/relations, then a historical powerhouse worldwide since the 1st Century)

Having said all that, I'll be happy if Vietnam makes it, not so much that I care but because I know there are a lot of Vietnam supporters here as well and it would be strange for SE Asia to get shafted of two high-potential civs

So as it stands, Vietnam is the one I think will make it in the expansion but I don't have any hard evidence to support it. Just that I can't think of another civ that fits in the alphabetical and city-state theories (both which keep Vietnam alive) that makes more sense than them at this point

Yeah, I reasoned Vietnam has a higher chance due to process of elimination rather than, well, other evidence. I do agree Indonesia's absence is rather unfortunate - the Indonesian states are more interesting and frankly historically important part of Southeast Asia than Vietnam, but, well... we'll see.

Though frankly two SE Asian civs is way better than one in any case, and pretty unprecedented.

 

[SnowKomodo]

Its highly unlikely that they would not have at least 1 east asian civ in this expansion, though the question becomes which one, Khmer, Vietnam and Indonesia all have a good shot, but then it could be something completely different

Definitely. Ed and Dennis keep pointing out to ideologies more than anything so you have to wonder if it's Vietnam. Not necessarily because their ideological struggle was unique (although you wouldn't know it with the way they teach it in American schools) but because the Vietnam War is very easy and accessible I would imagine for a marketing standpoint

 

[SnowKomodo]

Yeah, I reasoned Vietnam has a higher chance due to process of elimination rather than, well, other evidence. I do agree Indonesia's absence is rather unfortunate - the Indonesian states are more interesting and frankly historically important part of Southeast Asia than Vietnam, but, well... we'll see.

Though frankly two SE Asian civs is way better than one in any case, and pretty unprecedented.

Yeah, when you think about it two SE Asian civs is actually pretty reasonable. Too reasonable when you consider this:

Spoiler :

 

[ales_]

BNW so far looks like having the fewest returning civs of any Civ game expansion to date.

Civilization III Conquests had 0 returning civs.

 

[cybrxkhan]

Yeah, when you think about it two SE Asian civs is actually pretty reasonable. Too reasonable when you consider this:

Spoiler :

(Although India and East Asia aren't usually considered part of Southeast Asia, to my knowledge.)

 

[SnowKomodo]

(Although India and East Asia aren't usually considered part of Southeast Asia, to my knowledge.)

Lol yeah I know, but even if you erase the likes of Japan, Korea, China and India, a major chunk of population and resources within that bubble falls to SE Asia.

 

[Stellarnight]

Lol yeah I know, but even if you erase the likes of Japan, Korea, China and India, a major chunk of population and resources within that bubble falls to SE Asia.

Well actually combined South East Asian population is about half of China alone. China and India are the economic powerhouses in Asia. Only Singapore and Brunei have high GDP per capita and Brunei's economy is mainly driven by oil exports. So yea once you take out India, China, Japan and Korea, South-East Asia suddenly looks a lot less attractive based on influence and wealth.

Though i will still like to see Indonesia or Vietnam, just to have more of an Asian flavor.

 

[SnowKomodo]

Well actually combined South East Asian population is about half of China alone. China and India are the economic powerhouses in Asia. Only Singapore and Brunei have high GDP per capita and Brunei's economy is mainly driven by oil exports. So yea once you take out India, China, Japan and Korea, South-East Asia suddenly looks a lot less attractive based on influence and wealth.

Though i will still like to see Indonesia or Vietnam, just to have more of an Asian flavor.

Very true, but modern day GDP doesn't take away the pivotal history of SE Asia or the fact that they are still incredibly populous (Indonesia 4th, Vietnam 13th) in comparison to most of Europe, Africa and the Americas

 

[Civciv5]

And do not forget Asia is rising, Indonesia will one day be an (economic) superpower and Vietnam and the Philippines will be among the largest economies by 2050. Indonesia, a country with a very rich history and influence has been completely neglected by the Civ series. And while tiny and less deserving civs have got in , the largest empire in Southeast Asia, a great civilization that has standed the test of time, does not exist in the civilization universe.

 

[Liufeng]

And do not forget Asia is rising, Indonesia will one day be an (economic) superpower and Vietnam and the Philippines will be among the largest economies by 2050. Indonesia, a country with a very rich history and influence has been completely neglected by the Civ series. And while tiny and less deserving civs have got in , the largest empire in Southeast Asia, a great civilization that has standed the test of time, does not exist in the civilization universe.

It always made me laugh, that concept of "rising powers", when talking about Brazil, China, India, or whatever ... People tend to forget that the so-called "rising" is merely the rising of what, 2%, 3% of ot's people ? What is rising ? The economy if the state which is growing, is that it ? That's not rising. There is still a incomparable number of poors on these countries, so much that what we are living here in Europe with the economic crisis is nothing compared to them. Rich chinese, indian, and so on, are getting richer than european rich. That's your "rising powers".

Edit : By the way, I don't want to insult or whatever, just expressing my opinion. Peace

 

[Civciv5]

Poverty rates are declining in all those countries. They are workng on it.