Brave New World's 9 new Civs

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I don't understand why you think the Italian States don't stand a chance. They are culturally distinct from Rome, don't necessarily have to have Rome as a capital (in fact Florence makes more sense), the collection of city states represented as a civ has already been done with Greece, and arguably Siam. The fact that it remove a large amount of current city states is irrelevant IMHO. It's reasonable (because few people know of the Papal States or the Venetian Republic), and fits with the themes and a scenario.

Perhaps a dark horse but still a reasonable contender.
 
Hold on there! :lol:

(Also, there is the Angkor wat)

Ankor has already been mentioned, I made a bit of an error, it was meant to be CN Tower.
 
If Italy is actually made a civilization, I take up the some bet I made in the old thread of eating my hat.

There is a Protest! :lol:
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Omergerd where's mah HAT!?
 
I don't understand why you think the Italian States don't stand a chance. They are culturally distinct from Rome, don't necessarily have to have Rome as a capital (in fact Florence makes more sense), the collection of city states represented as a civ has already been done with Greece, and arguably Siam. The fact that it remove a large amount of current city states is irrelevant IMHO. It's reasonable (because few people know of the Papal States or the Venetian Republic), and fits with the themes and a scenario.

Perhaps a dark horse but still a reasonable contender.

I think Venice has a better chance of inclusion than Italian city-states. Hell, I think the Holy Roman Empire is more likely to make a triumphant return than the Italian States. If Italy does pop up in the scenario, it will probably be colored purple and be a Rome reskin.

@Mister

Just picked out my new avatar.
 
I think Venice has a better chance of inclusion than Italian city-states. Hell, I think the Holy Roman Empire is more likely to make a triumphant return than the Italian States. If Italy does pop up in the scenario, it will probably be colored purple and be a Rome reskin.

I'd rather see Venice, but I think Italy as a civ is more likely.
 
Its almost certain Italy will not be in the expansion. Im pretty sure Portugal and Poland are the only European civs in this expansion. Belgium is in a way culturally in the game already with Dutch and French. They would not be that bad choice, but I dont know if they would be that interesting civ. Some Central-Asian civ is also one possibility.

Having Inuits in the game would be pretty much a total joke. There really is no good reason to have them in the game. Many other civs like Russia or Sweden could have tundra bonuses.
 
I think Venice has a better chance of inclusion than Italian city-states. Hell, I think the Holy Roman Empire is more likely to make a triumphant return than the Italian States. If Italy does pop up in the scenario, it will probably be colored purple and be a Rome reskin.

Just to point something out:
First they added Polynesia. And then they listened to the hordes of Poland advocates.
At this point, I feel anything is possible (I'm betting on an Inuit versus Tupi-Guarani for the next DLC)
 
I'd rather see Venice, but I think Italy as a civ is more likely.

All this reminds me that, despite the focus being trade, there is no Mediterranean or Indian Ocean scenario coming with the game. :insert sad face:

I don't get why Italy is seemed likely. I can see why Poland, the Assyrians, and Indonesians seem likely, or a couple of sub-Saharan African civilizations, but I don't see where an Italian civilization fits in in all of this.

First they added Polynesia. And then they listened to the hordes of Poland advocates.

The Poland advocates have existed for years. The Italy advocates just realized they were advocating for something.
 
They're definitely going to add another African civilization because of the scenario, maybe even 2. My guess would be the Zulu Kingdom, seeing as how they're so popular and were in past games.

The second (even though they were pre-colonial) should be the Kingdom of Aksum. They were considered one of the Four Great Empires (with Rome, Persia and China) by Mani, and were (hint, hint) known for their international trade routes.

I just really want to see an Inuit civilization, just so that snow and ice tiles actually become useful for once.
 
But I think (and hope) they will stay away from adding more than 2 new European civs in "Brave New World." We already have large numbers of European wonders and civs in the game, whereas other regions, like South America and Africa, are severely under-represented.
 
I think Venice has a better chance of inclusion than Italian city-states. Hell, I think the Holy Roman Empire is more likely to make a triumphant return than the Italian States. If Italy does pop up in the scenario, it will probably be colored purple and be a Rome reskin.

@Mister

Just picked out my new avatar.

I like the Venetian mod tremendously and would love to see it as a civ. I also use the Papal States Mod and would be fine with their inclusion at some point.

ENJOY the avatar! May your trains always run on time!
 
Personally I would think Italy has a chance, though not a good one - sadly I do have to admit that Belgium has the best chance out of any Western European state at this point other than Portugal (which is 99% guaranteed) due to the scenario.

Still, on the topic of the Scramble for Africa scenario, I'm wondering what would the possible contenders for an African civ, other than the Zulu, would be. Kongo seems like a plausible choice, given that it's been floating around the community for a while, its relative power and influence in central Africa during the early modern era, and the fact that "Kongo" is a recognizable word to the average person (not the best reason, but still).

The Swahili would also be an interesting addition in my opinion, given that they fit well into the theme of trade routes, though the only drawback would be that similarly to Italy they do take up quite a number of potential city-states.

Nubia would be a great addition in my opinion, as it wasn't merely a southern clone of Egypt, but I see it as unlikely as it wouldn't really work in a Scramble for Africa scenario.

The Berbers are my personal favorite pick for an African civ after the Zulus, as they have a unique culture and history distinct from that of the Arabs, not to mention there is really a lot of things they could specialize in (maybe religious tolerance of some sort harking to the Moorish years, or the high level of learning as well, or maybe some sort of Barbary Pirates thing, or perhaps a focus on the Saharan trade routes - there's a lot of possibilities), not to mention they could have a female leader (Kahina). Unfortunately for the average person they'd be too similar to Arab so I suppose their inclusion is unlikely.

Benin is another possibility, though I don't have to say much on them, other than perhaps having the Dahomey Amazons as a UU would be cool.

The Hausa would be interesting, in my opinion, as they are often overlooked despite their prominence in West African trade routes and so forth, but unfortunately I think they might be seen as too similar to Songhai.

Kanem-Bornu would be in a similar situation to the Hausa.

The Maasai might be possible too, given that they're pretty well known to the average person, though I think it'd be a questionable choice given that they did not develop the sort of urbanized societies the "civilizations" in Civ represent.

There's also Zimbabwe, which I think qualifies more as a civ (with a traditional definition of that) compared to the Zulus. Still, there's too much overlap with the Zulus, so it's either Zulus or Zimbabwes, and the former is almost certain.

There's also some of the other West African coastal groups, like the Ashanti and Yoruba, who played an important role in the Atlantic slave trade - unfortunately this might be too controversial an issue to have these civs capitalize on (imagine a civ with an "enslave and sell slaves to European other civs" UA).

Let's see... well, that's all I can think of within the realm of possibility. There's others like some of the more developed states in Angola and the Kenyan/Tanzanian highlands
 
All this reminds me that, despite the focus being trade, there is no Mediterranean or Indian Ocean scenario coming with the game. :insert sad face:
No Silk Road scenario either...

I don't get why Italy is seemed likely. I can see why Poland, the Assyrians, and Indonesians seem likely, or a couple of sub-Saharan African civilizations, but I don't see where an Italian civilization fits in in all of this.
BNW seems heavily focused on trade and culture (Particularly "Great Works"). While Venice alone would fit the theme perfectly. Due to renown I think Italy would be more likely, and it has the added bonus of working with the "Scramble for Africa" scenario.

The Poland advocates have existed for years. The Italy advocates just realized they were advocating for something.
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But I think (and hope) they will stay away from adding more than 2 new European civs in "Brave New World." We already have large numbers of European wonders and civs in the game, whereas other regions, like South America and Africa, are severely under-represented.

I definitely agree; 2 should be enough for Europe (Poland and Portugal?). I also feel they should do some serious work on wonders. It isn't as fun once you reach the industrial era.
 
"Turn defeated units into workers" would be an interesting UA. It isn't that different from how you can bully a city-state into giving you a "worker".

BNW seems heavily focused on trade and culture (Particularly "Great Works"). While Venice alone would fit the theme perfectly. Due to renown I think Italy would be more likely, and it has the added bonus of working with the "Scramble for Africa" scenario.

I am also partial to the idea that they add Italy as an gigantic unplayable city-state, like how some scenario included Austria as a city-state with several cities before Gods and Kings.
 
Well here's my humble list of civs.

1-Poland
2-Assyria
3-Portugal
4-Zulu

(these four are garanteed)


5-Majapahit
6-Kongo
7-Brazil
8-Cherokee
9-Khazaria

We know Poland and Assyria are in, and considering the scramble for Africa scenario, Portugal and Zulu as well; Kongo or another African civ is likely.

Majapahit could take full advantage of sea trade routes, and its a neglected area in past Civ games.

If there's another post colonial state that could make it to the game its Brazil, its very recogniceable, has a unique culture, its an emerging economy from a neglected area by past games, and with the new focus on culture Brazil could have a very unique UA.

Considering the Civil War scenario, if we are getting another Native American civ, the Cherokee fit right in. I think the Sioux will make it later on, but as a DLC along with a "conquer the west" scenario.

Khazaria could very well be the dark horse civ, they could focus on stablishing long land trade routes and religious diversity, they wouldnt have to worry about a religion creeping in their borders, but rather seek exactly that, plus it would be nice to have a civ that chooses Judaism first.
 
Here are my thoughts

-Poland
-Assyria(?)
-1 New world ancient/tribal civ (similar to 'native americans in CIV IV expansion)
-1 New world modern power (Venezuela, Brazil, Cuba, etc.)
-1 African ancient or modern power (Zulu, Congo, Nigeria, Uganda, etc.)
- Israel (makes sense for this country since no other country in the game will realistically choose Judaism as majority religion)
-South Asian power (Khmer? Indonesia?)
-Australia (would help cover the part of the map geographically
-Portugal
-1 aggressive horse-heavy civ (Timurids? Moghuls?)
-1 civ so unique that nobody will guess (almost similar to Polynesia choice)
 
I am also partial to the idea that they add Italy as an gigantic unplayable city-state, like how some scenario included Austria as a city-state with several cities before Gods and Kings.

I think it'd be more likely for them to just rebrand Rome....
 
I think Italy is quite likely as a civ now and I'm okay with that.
Let's think about their UU/UA/UB:

Leader: Casimo or Lorenzo Medici
UA: Somethin that improves culture, maybe more artists
UU: Genoese Crossbowman( more durable crossbowman)
UB: Arsenal (replaces harbour, bonus exp for ships and improved trade)
Capitol: Florence
I think it should be:

Leader: Victor Emanuel II
UA: yeah, probably something culture related
UU: Alpini (replaces Great Way Infantry and has a bonus in hills and snow, and can enter and fortify itself on mountain tiles)
UB: nothing I can come up with, and Arsenal is out of question since there already is a building called that
Capital: Rome (as someone else said, the Roman capital should be renamed Roma)
 
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