Brave New World's 9 new Civs

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Am I the only person who:

a) would much rather see Indonesia than Vietnam (both are deserving, but I don't think both will make it into this expansion), and
b) actually thinks that Indonesia are more likely since they are so well-suited to the trade routes and tourism element of the expansion?

You're not alone about thinking that Indonesia is more likely ON MERITS.

But I'm pretty persuaded by the sleuth-work done on how the city states have flipped. Looks like a military CS has been swapped out, and Hanoi is a pretty strong contender. I am 100% certain Asia won't be left out in a 9 civ Expansion Pack. So I believe the evidence pushes Vietnam forward, though the MERITS should favor Indonesia because of strong tourism ties for that civ, like Bali. My personal preference is to include BOTH. Just not enough room.

But either one will make me happy to see added. Both are overdue, in my opinion.
 
I am Personally pulling for some more North and South American Civ's I would like to see Canada Mexico and the Confederate states. Canada could have some cultural benefit Mexico maybe a Bandito unit and the Confederates of course something to do with slavery. As for South america Brazil of course but Argentina Chile Venezuela to mention all have merit.
 
I am Personally pulling for some more North and South American Civ's I would like to see Canada Mexico and the Confederate states. Canada could have some cultural benefit Mexico maybe a Bandito unit and the Confederates of course something to do with slavery. As for South america Brazil of course but Argentina Chile Venezuela to mention all have merit.

THANK YOU. I've been waiting for someone else on these Forums to share these ideas.

I believe there is still a SIGNIFICANT chance that Mexico will be a dark horse civ. It would blend the Americas well to have America, Mexico, and Brazil spread out across the Western Hemisphere continents. I think we should be open-minded to this possibility.

Canada doesn't have a chance, in my opinion. But I strongly believe there needs to be a new Expansion Pack / Scenario that gives us moderns. Canada, Mexico, Australia, and modern reworkings of classic civilizations so that we also have Italy, Iraq, Iran, divided Koreas, Ireland, and Pakistan. Argentina, Chile, Peru, Venezuela, Cuba, Colombia, and the Bahamas would all be pretty cool too, but that's just me daydreaming about a flavor overdose.

So again, thanks for speaking up for more non-U.S. / non-Native cultures from the Americas.

Watch out for that chance of a Mexico surprise.
 
With the new trade system, the Phoenicians might be a good bet for a civ in the expansion.

Armenia is a good bet too, considering they're a more than 5000 year old continuous civilization, that brought Asian commerce to Europe and visa versa twice (before and after the dark ages); at one point had the highest valued currency in the world (around 1200). They were also the only nation to negotiate peace and form an alliance with the Mongol horde. They also have the distinction of being the first Christian nation on earth and the first to fight a war for the right to practice that religion. They once ruled the entire near east (from caspian to black to Mediterranean Sea). There's a lot more, but I'll leave it at that.
 
I think the only chance Mexico has of being the dark horse, depends on the size of the civil war scenario. Mexico was at the time fighting against the French invasion, so, who knows, it could be interesting, fight off the French and try to reconquer the North.

Im still finding it very unlikely, BUT, it could be the ultimate dark horse. and much hat eating would ensue.
 
Alright, since speculation is always fun, I've decided to speculate on the possible civs for an Almaty Silk Road civ - this is, again, based on the assumption that Sofia is replacing a previously militaristic city state, either Hanoi-Vietnam, Budapest-Hungary, or Almaty. Almaty's a more difficult situation since we don't have as obvious a candidate for a Silk Road civ, in my opinion, but here's what I think are the reasonably potential civs (not in any order) - thoughts? Other possibilities? Any flaws in my reasoning?


1. Timurids, or some sort of pan-Central Asia or -stan civ (i.e. Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, etc.) with Tamerlane as a leader: the most likely possibility, in my opinion. Tamerlane is a well-known figure to those with a casual knowledge of world history, and a Timurid civ would probably be an interesting blend of military and commercial bonuses, similarly to how Assyria is an interesting combo of military and scientific bonuses. It'd be easy to market, all in all - the only thing going against it is that we already have two military-focused nomad civs.

2. Kushans: Almaty was under Kushan territory, although its inclusion as a Kushan city would be odd as Almaty, while already settled in ancient times (according to Wikipedia), is probably more of a medieval and modern city. Ignoring this, the Kushans present a unique civilization that will also provide some more representation for India, given the fact that they dominated (and ruled from) large parts of northern India for centuries. They have also been suggested here and there on the forums, and would provide a good religious or cultural civ alongside potential Silk Road UA, given their role in the development of Buddhism.

3. Kazakhstan: Almaty is the current capital of Kazakhstan. A Kazakhstan civ would encompass the steppe empire that arose in the early modern era. I see this as unlikely as the Silk Road trade had already collapsed by the time of Kazakhstan, so it wouldn't really make sense for Kazakhstan to have a Silk Road UA, if at all, and I would assume a new central Asian civ would utilize a Silk Road UA.

4. Gokturks: The Gokturks dominated the region for several centuries (including the region where Almaty is) and gave rise to several later nomad empires such as the Uighurs and Khazars. They were also the first definite Turkish state (the Turkishness of other nomad groups, such as the Xiongnu, is debated - the Gokturks were the first that were definitely Turkish). While a good choice in my opinion, they're too obscure to be reasonably marketable in my opinion, and I would think the devs want a Silk Road civ to be at least somewhat well known.

5. Seljuks: The Seljuks were one of the most important Turkish dynasties, being directly responsible for how the Ottomans ended up in Anatolia, after all. Given their achievements in military, cultural, scientific, and other matters, they have plenty of possibilities as to how their playstyle could play out. However, Almaty was on the fringes of their controlled territory, and the Seljuks may be seen as too similar to the Ottomans if only because they're both Turkish dynasties, so their inclusion is unlikely in my opinion.

6. Ghaznavids/Ghurids: Similarly to the Seljuks, both were Persianized Turkish dynasties. Like the Kushans, because they ruled parts of India, they would also provide some representation for India. They've been featured in previous civ games as barbarian groups. However, I believe they're too obscure for inclusion and they are one of the many Persianized Turkish dynasties that ran through the area.

7. Khitan: The western Liao dynasty conquered the area and ruled it for a century. However, it'd be really odd to have a Khitan civ only represent the Western Liao, as the first Liao Empire was a major Empire in China. Because of this, and because of the similarities with Mongolia, I consider them also unlikely.


Well, that's my speculation for a Silk Road civ based on Almaty - this is not talking about other Silk Road civs that wouldn't own Almaty, such as the Uighurs or Khazars. Again, this is based on the Sofia militaristic CS hypothesis, that Sofia is replacing either Budapest-Hungary, Hanoi-Vietnam, and Almaty. While I consider Hanoi the most likely contender for replacement (for other reasons stated in other posts), I do think Almaty has a good chance.






Indeed this does mildly puzzle me too. I do think culture+tourism goes well with Brazil (Brazil is known for its carnivals, bossa nova music, among other things), but I agree that Brazil's current UA would go much, much better with Italy. While this does decrease the chances of Italy in my opinion, a potential Italy civ might utilize a "tourism" UA in a different way - who knows?


Obvious silk-road civilization: Armenia FTFY

...also, how do you name all the mindless barbarian hordes that took turns pillaging through the silk route and not the civilizations that actually set up and maintained it?
 
[*]The Pueblo civ will be replaced by another Native American civ, as the Pueblo indicates the devs' interest in a NA civ (we also have that odd eastern NA "barbarian" unit floating around)

This quote sparked an idea for me. What if the barbarian "Native" unit was given to the barbarians by the new NA Native civ. What if it's a civ that is "in league" with barbarians. A UA like "Tribal Dialogue: The CIV cannot attack or be attacked by barbarians. The CIV may donate and assign military units to specific barbarian camps. The CIV may control any donated military units."

Maybe the colours of the new CIV are black and red, and they become a super-extension of barbarians.
 
Armenia is a good bet too, considering they're a more than 5000 year old continuous civilization, that brought Asian commerce to Europe and visa versa twice (before and after the dark ages); at one point had the highest valued currency in the world (around 1200). They were also the only nation to negotiate peace and form an alliance with the Mongol horde. They also have the distinction of being the first Christian nation on earth and the first to fight a war for the right to practice that religion. They once ruled the entire near east (from caspian to black to Mediterranean Sea). There's a lot more, but I'll leave it at that.

I'd say Armenia could work as trade/culture civ with a bonus in defence. The only problem I see is that it's from an already very crowded middle-east, although that should not disqualify the civ.
 
This HAS to be the Portugal icon, obviously:

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Hey, the symbol is completely messed up. It only has 5 blue shilds (quinas) with 5 white dots each and 7 castles.

The civilizations will be:

Poland - Mounted war/ Culture
Brazil -Tourism/Culture
Assiria - War/Science
Portugal - Trade/New enhanced expansion system
Indonesia - More complete trade (comparing to portugal) and less exploration/some rel.sc.cult. bonus
Zulu - war/bantu related situations(expansion)
Kongo - international relations(due to the relation with portugal?)
Native America (Pueblo) - I'm sorry, I don't know much of them. Part of my historical research begins in civilopedia and then gets real in books and websites.
Dark Horse civ (Italy or Hungary IMO) - Italy would be related to culture and artworks mostly (Must be). Hungary would be related to medieval war (brutal medieval war!!)

Basically, it fits. Italy has ben (mabe? provide us the sources please) confirmed as a civ I think that, more than the historical importance of civs they are focusing on the capacity of exploring the new concepts. That makes a lot of room for italian artworks and brazilian tourism! These controversial civs appear because of this, IMO. And they would be very interesting :)
 
Armenia is also a good SilkRote civilization. Why? Because it's not only silk road... The ancient history, the trade, the culture, everything point it to be one good chance for the BNW9 civs.

But there are other good choices that I'd put before Armenia (i don't mind crowded areas, but some other civs had equal or greater importance in history). I think it could be in the next expansion or DLC that rises the # of civs to 45 (no more and no less)
 
The civilizations will be:

Poland - Mounted war/ Culture
Brazil -Tourism/Culture
Assiria - War/Science
Portugal - Trade/New enhanced expansion system
Indonesia - More complete trade (comparing to portugal) and less exploration/some rel.sc.cult. bonus
Zulu - war/bantu related situations(expansion)
Kongo - international relations(due to the relation with portugal?)
Native America (Pueblo) - I'm sorry, I don't know much of them. Part of my historical research begins in civilopedia and then gets real in books and websites.
Dark Horse civ (Italy or Hungary IMO) - Italy would be related to culture and artworks mostly (Must be). Hungary would be related to medieval war (brutal medieval war!!)

I like your list and I find it quite plausible, though I would prefer a Silk Road Civ to Italy or Hungary. I just worry about whether any of them are well-known enough. Tamerlane himself is well-known, but the Timurids are (I suspect) very obscure to a lot of people. Then again, you could argue that it makes more sense to include a couple of less well-known/popular Civs in the expansion and save more popular ones like Italy and/or Hungary for DLC (if indeed more DLC comes...)

A niggling feeling I have is that we won't get both 2 African Civs and 2 Native American Civs. Zulu are pretty much a dead cert, as is one Native American Civ, but I don't think they will include two of each.
 
I have a small feeling that they will add Kongo. I mean... For me, is better than the Zulu... I know Zulu are a civ series tradition but either they represent most of the Bantu culture or they are out. I'm being too hard in here but the true is that there are better African options.

About the Timurides and SilkRote civ, the arguments of Armenia got me. I think that, as the Timurides are too obcure (as said, and I agree) to many people, they shouldn't add them. And armenia is a way better choice. So, if they change Italy or Hungary (or any other civ except Portugal, Brazil, Poland and Assiria) on my list, they could well add Armenia.
 
Yes, I think I find the Kongo more likely than 2 Native American Civs (although I would never have expected them to consider adding the Pueblo, so who knows?)

I don't know much about Armenia at all. I just hope they don't attempt to create a conflated Silk Road/Central Asian Civ...
 
The only reason we're remembered at all nowadays is because we had Brazil as a colony for some hundred years?

The main reason you got a place in some of the civ iterations is because you had a colonial empire, yes. If you take away the exploration and settlement from Portugal, it really does not stand out from other European civilizations such as Hungary and Bulgaria which are not in the game. And do you really think the Dutch would be such a regular civilization in civ if they hadn't colonized/conquered Indonesia, Ceylon and other places?

However, the exploration and trade part (along Africa's shores) is indeed not really linked to Brazil itself. But while Portugal did have (many) other colonies, Brazil was the most important one, IIRC.

Mind you, I'd rather see Portugal in than Brazil. It's just rather baffling that they seem to include both of them in one expansion.
 
I'm surprised not more people talked about Morocco. It's an awesome civ with an awesome history.
It was very powerful more than once
Spoiler :
Almohad Caliphate
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Almoravid Dynasty
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Marinid Dynasty
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Saadi Dynasty
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It was a big part of 2 important trade network (the Mediterranean trade and the trans- Saharan trade). It was also a great cultural and scientific civilization. They deserve a place.
 
I am Personally pulling for some more North and South American Civ's I would like to see Canada Mexico and the Confederate states. Canada could have some cultural benefit Mexico maybe a Bandito unit and the Confederates of course something to do with slavery. As for South america Brazil of course but Argentina Chile Venezuela to mention all have merit.

Isn't giving Mexico a bandito mildly offensive?

Having Argentina, Chile and Venezuela in the same game would be overkill.:eek: The game developers have to make each unique.
 
Good point. Morocco is very under the radar but they've definitely made their stamp on the world. Actually now that I think of it I put them right up there with dark horse civs I want in the game
 
We have, till now, Assyria, Brazil and Poland. One Ancient Civ, One Medieval Civ, One Modern Era - Contemporany Civ. One of them middle-eastern, one of them European, one of them american.

My tips are that the next 6 civs should be distribucted along:

2 european
2 asian
1 african
1 american/african/asian

+2/3 ancient civ
+2/3 medieval civ
+1/2 modern civ

That leads us to, in my opinion, to some funny possibilities.

I would think that the medieval civs might be Portugal (Europe) and the malinese (pehamps).

It would be fun to see Israel (the ancient one, not the modern state) represented with king Solomon (the most representative, I guess) and probably the kingdom of Nigeria as anothe representative of the ancient age.

Pehamps another native-american civilization (apache, cherokee or the sioux?) and a industrial era random civilization would complete the team of civs.

I don't believe in Italy or the USSR as representative civs to be choosen by the CIV developers, since we have Rome and Russia represented in the game. It would stack.
 
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