Brave New World's 9 new Civs

[El Caballerion]

Even though I would love THE SEMINOLES as a good marsh-based strategic civ, I doubt its inclusion for this reason.... how they will make it different from INDONESIA'S leader screen since that leader is portrayed in a marsh?

 

[VermelhoRed]

They are the exact same colour, it is the same cream for the cities as it is on the flag. It looks as though they directly used the flags colours as the Civs colours. Can you think of any other explanation for colours being that identical?

You can disagree if you want, but it seems mighty silly now that they've given us an image of a Civ with colours taken from Venice's flag.

You mean the purple found on some weird small secondary circley things? Yeah sure they would put those things on Venice's symbol instead of the giant golden winged lion

 

[InsanelyApple]

No. That is all I have to say about that, there are more than a dozen more important Native American civs than the Cherokee. Only reason they were being considered was they were North American, people like to claim "Cherokee Heritage", and somewhat recognizable to an east coast audience [also speculation about the Civil War Scenario]

They could easily take advantage of the culture mechanic since they adopted European culture quickly. Maybe something like every 50 turns (on standard) 50% of foreign culture in your cities vanish. (To simulate the integration of that culture in the Cherokee. I also don't know if that would be overpowered or underpowered, I haven't played BNW.)

 

[Gucumatz]

Oh not saying they couldn't be an interesting civ and fun to play as, just the statement that the Cherokee are more deserving than any other Native American civ is wrong

 

[Merciorum]

No. That is all I have to say about that, there are more than a dozen more important Native American civs than the Cherokee. Only reason they were being considered was they were North American, people like to claim "Cherokee Heritage", and somewhat recognizable to an east coast audience [also speculation about the Civil War Scenario]

Hell no. The Cherokee's survival through everything, their ablility to adapt and modernise, their sophisticated political structure and development in the 19th century means that though they may not be the most important, they certainly did some pretty impressive things, given their situation. They were the only people to ever develop an alphabet from scratch since the dawn of time, for goodness' sake. New Echota/Tahlequah should be a CS, at the very least.

 

[InsanelyApple]

Oh not saying they couldn't be an interesting civ and fun to play as, just the statement that the Cherokee are more deserving than any other Native American civ is wrong

Oh, I'd agree. The Pueblans, Mississippians, and Olmecans are more deserving. However, it seems that the Pueblans are out and we don't know very much about Mississippian/Olmecan leaders, so the Cherokee would be the next best option for North American natives.

 

[Leugi]

Well, so I missed the birth of the Purple Theory...

I'd say that Venice WAS anyway almost a given after the 2 civs revealed today...

BTW, we should be thinking of something... There is a likelihood that one of the next civs be specially diplomacy-centered in order to take a good advantage of the World Congress... It could be Venice, for city-states... But they could also focus on Great Works... has anyone thought if the Tupi are a possibility? They had the Tamoyo Confederation, so they could be rather diplomacy oriented...

 

[Option]

You mean the purple found on some weird small secondary circley things? Yeah sure they would put those things on Venice's symbol instead of the giant golden winged lion

Because purple/gold, red/gold and blue/gold are already taken by Rome, Persia and Sweden respectively. Nothing is saying that they are going to replace the winged lion as SYMBOL.

You could argue the same way as to why they would pick pink on red for Spain's Asturian cross which is usually depicted as gold on blue, or why they would pick dark green on light green for Brazil, none of which are the colors featured on the Brazilian flag, or why they would go with the grey/grey combination for Germany, which hasn't really anything to do with any of the German symbols.

So far, there's no civ color combination that looks identical. It's very likely that they are going to use the winged lion as the symbol itself, but since the most common color combination of the Venetian flag (golden lion on red) is already taken, and the less common version with golden lion on blue is as well, they had to settle with another combination.

 

[InsanelyApple]

Hell no. The Cherokee's survival through everything, their ablility to adapt and modernise, their sophisticated political structure and development in the 19th century means that though they may not be the most important, they certainly did some pretty impressive things, given their situation. They were the only people to ever develop an alphabet from scratch since the dawn of time, for goodness' sake. New Echota/Tahlequah should be a CS, at the very least.

I'd like that. I wonder how freaked out my town (Tahlequah) would be if it was a city state. Probably be even more excited than that bear cub in a tree last week that was the talk of the town.

EDIT: The rolling eyes is about the bear cub, not Tahlequah as a CS.

 

[ImperialChaos]

The biggest indicator for me that Venice is in is the removal of Venice for Riga. I don't really care if it has the peaces and cream colors or will be gold and red I am pretty certain it is the final European civ.

 

[Menzies]

Well, so I missed the birth of the Purple Theory...

I'd say that Venice WAS anyway almost a given after the 2 civs revealed today...

BTW, we should be thinking of something... There is a likelihood that one of the next civs be specially diplomacy-centered in order to take a good advantage of the World Congress... It could be Venice, for city-states... But they could also focus on Great Works... has anyone thought if the Tupi are a possibility? They had the Tamoyo Confederation, so they could be rather diplomacy oriented...

Here's the gist of the "purple theory":

We have a screenshot showing a civ with a purple and cream colour combination. These colours are two that come exactly off the Venetian Flag as seen on wikipedia.

 

[UnitedSquadron]

As it seems as the purple matches is an exact fit, Venice now has a high chance. The only thing I don't understand is if Venice is in, then why isn't it representing Italy in the scenario?

 

[ImperialChaos]

As it seems as the purple matches is an exact fit, Venice now has an extremely high chance. The only thing I don't understand is if Venice is in, then why isn't it representing Italy in the scenario?

Because this:

The only thing Venice would represent for Italy is the city of Venice itself.

 

[VermelhoRed]

Because purple/gold, red/gold and blue/gold are already taken by Rome, Persia and Sweden respectively. Nothing is saying that they are going to replace the winged lion as SYMBOL.

You could argue the same way as to why they would pick pink on red for Spain's Asturian cross which is usually depicted as gold on blue, or why they would pick dark green on light green for Brazil, none of which are the colors featured on the Brazilian flag, or why they would go with the grey/grey combination for Germany, which hasn't really anything to do with any of the German symbols.

So far, there's no civ color combination that looks identical. It's very likely that they are going to use the winged lion as the symbol itself, but since the most common color combination of the Venetian flag (golden lion on red) is already taken, and the less common version with golden lion on blue is as well, they had to settle with another combination.

Blue and yellow was taken by France when they made Sweden, that didn't stop them, they chose to find other tones. And that wouldn't stop them finding some other yellow for Venice.

 

[Option]

As it seems as the purple matches is an exact fit, Venice now has an extremely high chance. The only thing I don't understand is if Venice is in, then why isn't it representing Italy in the scenario?

Because having a Venetian lion in the achievement icon representing Italy seems odd, while a Roman laurel is a more generic icon and could even be interpreted as the olive and oak branches on the modern Republic's emblem.

 

[UnitedSquadron]

Because this:

The only thing Venice would represent for Italy is the city of Venice itself.

So that's why. I thank you for explaining that.

 

[Menzies]

Because having a Venetian lion in the achievement icon representing Italy seems odd, while a Roman laurel is a more generic icon and could even be interpreted as the olive and oak branches on the modern Republic's emblem.

That and Rome is more Italian as a whole than Venice, which is well... Venetian.

 

[sukritact]

Blue and yellow was taken by France when they made Sweden, that didn't stop them when they chose to find other tones. And that wouldn't stop them finding some other yellow for Venice.

The differences in tone were very significant, we have two different names for those blues in Thai you know, it's that different!

 

[Menzies]

Blue and yellow was taken by France when they made Sweden, that didn't stop them when they chose to find other tones. And that wouldn't stop them finding some other yellow for Venice.

Well, it seems they decided to go with purple and cream straight off their flag.

 

[ImperialChaos]

I wanna see Menzies reaction if the colors represent another civ