Brazil Unique Unit

[Phrozen]

I do find it odd that some civs have unique units named after a specific unit (or ship) ie Brazil and The Netherlands. It would be like giving America a unique unit of 101 Airborne or Canada getting the WWI Canadian Corps.

 

[Henri Christophe]

Besides one being primarily mixraced and the other being made up of fully Spanish people, how are they any different?

They lead expeditions carrying the Portuguese flag into the interior of Brazil colony claiming land, subjugating the native people, and finding gold, sounds similar to me.


I know Gran Colombia has their own UU, which is fine. I was just making the comparison and I personally don't feel the need for the Bandeirantes to be the UU because Brazil was a part of Portugal at that point in it's history.

I never tought in Bandeirantes as similar as the Conquistadors, but let me dive in in Bandeirante history.
At time they aren't Portuguese, was the reign of Phillipe II

and they don't answer Phillipe either, because all Paulistas was EXCOMUNGATE because they invade Guarani lands
this video explain very well, but it is in Portuguese, give I try and try to understand.

and about the flag they bring, they didn't bring any flag. I don't know why they are called bandeirantes, but, in São Paulo seal the flag is a red cross.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I do find it odd that some civs have unique units named after a specific unit (or ship) ie Brazil and The Netherlands. It would be like giving America a unique unit of 101 Airborne or Canada getting the WWI Canadian Corps.

I'm not sure of other options for the Dutch to go with in game. Obviously it's a ship of the line, but that's too vague, so they went with a specific one that saw a lot of combat and was useful.

England already had a unique privateer, so that would also be redundant. The other option would be a Fluyt but those weren't usually suited for combat.

I know I'm only naming naval units but what else would you give them, if not a unique naval unit?

As for the Minais Gerais, I honestly don't mind the idea behind it in game. In a game about what if's, what if Brazil became a naval powerhouse in the Modern Era, like the ship was intended to do.

I never tought in Bandeirantes as similar as the Conquistadors, but let me dive in in Bandeirante history.
At time they aren't Portuguese, was the reign of Phillipe II

I mean the Conquistadors originated in Europe while the Bandeirantes might have originated in Colonial Brazil, but the overall purposes of them were similar as exploring new land, subjugating natives, and finding gold, no matter if Portugal was in a union with Spain or not.

 

[Henri Christophe]

I mean the Conquistadors originated in Europe while the Bandeirantes might have originated in Colonial Brazil, but the overall purposes of them were similar as exploring new land, subjugating natives, and finding gold, no matter if Portugal was in a union with Spain or not.

Yeah, they have this incomun, they want power and gold. But I think many people wants that too. I want power and gold.
But it is very Brazilian they dosn't speak Portuguese untill 1759!!!! That make they very different from the Conquistadores

If you understand Brazil as 500 years old country, isn't hard to understand why Bandeirantes should be the best option to Brazil Unique Unit.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

If you understand Brazil as 500 years old country, isn't hard to understand why Bandeirantes should be the best option to Brazil Unique Unit.

Well I'll never believe that Brazil is 500 years old now so there you go.

Maybe Portugal/Brazil could get them in some sort of Colonization scenario or spin off game.

 

[Henri Christophe]

Well I'll never believe that Brazil is 500 years old now so there you go.

Maybe Portugal/Brazil could get them in some sort of Colonization scenario or spin off game.

Portugal with Bandeirantes should be very wird, very very wird

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

I'm not sure of other options for the Dutch to go with in game. Obviously it's a ship of the line, but that's too vague, so they went with a specific one that saw a lot of combat and was useful.

England already had a unique privateer, so that would also be redundant. The other option would be a Fluyt but those weren't usually suited for combat.

I know I'm only naming naval units but what else would you give them, if not a unique naval unit?

As for the Minais Gerais, I honestly don't mind the idea behind it in game. In a game about what if's, what if Brazil became a naval powerhouse in the Modern Era, like the ship was intended to do.

In addition, the Minas Gerais was one of the world's first dreadnoughts, and Brazil had beaten some of the most powerful naval powers to it. Germany, France, and Russia were all beaten by Brazil.
Brazil was the third nation to build a dreadnought, only beaten by the USA and the United Kingdom.

 

[Henri Christophe]

In addition, the Minas Gerais was one of the world's first dreadnoughts, and Brazil had beaten some of the most powerful naval powers to it. Germany, France, and Russia were all beaten by Brazil.
Brazil was the third nation to build a dreadnought, only beaten by the USA and the United Kingdom.

Nothing that exciting, Brazil have so an unique culture to have an Unique Unit made by someone else and be 5th and 3rd in some scale of no direct combat. Boooooriiiing.
Bandeirantes is my best option, but I know @Xandinho prefer Voluntarios da Patria, ok too. Even the Pracinhas of CIV5 are okay because they fight in WWII, but this ship is terrible based on history.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Portugal with Bandeirantes should be very wird, very very wird

I mean in a Colonization scenario or spin-off game it wouldn't. Not if it was based around colonizing Brazil. There have been weirder suggestions for UUs in this forum.

For a regular game I wouldn't choose it to be the UU. I would prefer the Nau or some sort of naval unit for exploration.

 

[Xandinho]

Nothing that exciting, Brazil have so an unique culture to have an Unique Unit made by someone else and be 5th and 3rd in some scale of no direct combat. Boooooriiiing.
Bandeirantes is my best option, but I know @Xandinho prefer Voluntarios da Patria, ok too. Even the Pracinhas of CIV5 are okay because they fight in WWII, but this ship is terrible based on history.

I think they wanted to make an allusion to the Brazilian naval power from the beginning of the last century. For them to get to this ship they probably did a lot of research, because most Brazilians don't even know it existed. In practice, it didn’t do a lot of important things besides being used against the country itself, but I don’t think it’s such a bad choice, I’m ok with that. This ship represents a very important milestone in Brazilian military history anyway.
As for Bandeirantes, this will never happen in a game that is increasingly moving away from controversial elements.

 

[Henri Christophe]

As for Bandeirantes, this will never happen in a game that is increasingly moving away from controversial elements.

what the bandeirantes do that the Eagle Warriors doesn't do?

 

[Xandinho]

what the bandeirantes do that the Eagle Warriors doesn't do?

This was discussed at the beginning of the Thread.
@Evie explained very well the difference in the treatment of both:

To a certain degree the distinction make sense: the aztecs thing was more social-cultural status and religious obligations, less turning people into property to be bought and sold for profit.

 

[AsH2]

In addition, the Minas Gerais was one of the world's first dreadnoughts, and Brazil had beaten some of the most powerful naval powers to it. Germany, France, and Russia were all beaten by Brazil.
Brazil was the third nation to build a dreadnought, only beaten by the USA and the United Kingdom.

No, they did not build any.

Minas Geraes was christened by Senhora Regis de Oliveira, the wife of the Brazilian minister to Great Britain,[26] and launched at Newcastle-on-Tyne on 10 September 1908.[4]

Spoiler Minas Geraes class :

The Minas Geraes class, spelled Minas Gerais in some sources, consisted of two battleships built for the Brazilian Navy in the early twentieth century. Named Minas Geraes and São Paulo, the ships were intended to be Brazil's first step towards becoming an international power, and they consequently initiated a South American naval arms race.

In 1904, Brazil began a major naval building program that included three small battleships. Designing and ordering the ships took two years, but these plans were scrapped after the revolutionary "dreadnought" concept rendered the Brazilian design obsolete—two dreadnoughts were instead ordered from the United Kingdom, making Brazil the third country to have ships of this type under construction—before traditional powers like Germany, France, or Russia. As such, the ships created much uncertainty among the major countries in the world, many of whom incorrectly speculated the ships were actually destined for a rival nation. Similarly, they also caused much consternation in Argentina and consequently Chile.

 

[Henri Christophe]

@Evie do you think Bandeirantes are controversials? If yes, Why?

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

No, they did not build any.

Spoiler Minas Geraes class :

The Minas Geraes class, spelled Minas Gerais in some sources, consisted of two battleships built for the Brazilian Navy in the early twentieth century. Named Minas Geraes and São Paulo, the ships were intended to be Brazil's first step towards becoming an international power, and they consequently initiated a South American naval arms race.

In 1904, Brazil began a major naval building program that included three small battleships. Designing and ordering the ships took two years, but these plans were scrapped after the revolutionary "dreadnought" concept rendered the Brazilian design obsolete—two dreadnoughts were instead ordered from the United Kingdom, making Brazil the third country to have ships of this type under construction—before traditional powers like Germany, France, or Russia. As such, the ships created much uncertainty among the major countries in the world, many of whom incorrectly speculated the ships were actually destined for a rival nation. Similarly, they also caused much consternation in Argentina and consequently Chile.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreadnought#In_other_countries Indeed they did. Dreadnoughts were battleships built after the UK built the synonymous HMS Dreadnought.

 

[Henri Christophe]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreadnought#In_other_countries Indeed they did. Dreadnoughts were battleships built after the UK built the synonymous HMS Dreadnought.

Is Minas Gerais one HMS Dreadnought? Just an ordered boat from a farway land? I don't like it.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Is Minas Gerais one HMS Dreadnought? Just an ordered boat from a farway land? I don't like it.

No, it was one of the first dreadnoughts ever built. Brazil was the third nation to ever build a dreadnought, beating France, Germany, and Russia as I said earlier. I think it's a nice nod to history that it's the Unique Unit for Brazil.

 

[AsH2]

No, it was one of the first dreadnoughts ever built. Brazil was the third nation to ever build a dreadnought, beating France, Germany, and Russia as I said earlier. I think it's a nice nod to history that it's the Unique Unit for Brazil.

No. Read the spoiler in my previous post.

From your link..

Brazil was the third country to begin construction on a dreadnought.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

No. Read the spoiler in my previous post.

From your link..

Ahh... I think I now I see what you meant. Brazil never built the Minas Geraes, they just had a company build it and it's sister ship, the São Paulo.

 

[Evie]

A british company, to be specific.