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Deity
grs said:
lurker's comment: Sounds like you still have some essential exploring to do! Contacts are vital at sid level...
Bugs3 - The Sid Virgin Sacrifice
- Thread starter Sir Bugsy
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lurker's comment: Sounds like you still have some essential exploring to do! Contacts are vital at sid level...
grs
nameless one
Ankka: playing sitting duck wont help us either. We have better troops than an AI civ and we wont have such a good opportunity often.
DJMGator13
Still breathing
I think we need to push it while we have a chance. The Aztecs are only going to get stronger. With the way the cities are lined up we should be able to start at one end and work ourself down the line. This also provides a natural defense for the cities behind the front line. We just need to make sure the red civ (not looking at the save) does not align itself with the Aztecs.
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
This is a good point, don't apologize for it. We're all SID virgins. I have no idea how many units the Aztecs have at this point, but you're right, they're going to have a lot. OK, even more than that.Ankka said:
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Who's up?
Roster:
Ankka - Just played
GRS Up
Gyathaar On deck
Doc
Gator
Bugs
Edit - fixed the roster. How's that?
Roster:
Ankka - Just played
GRS Up
Gyathaar On deck
Doc
Gator
Bugs
Edit - fixed the roster. How's that?
Sir Bugsy said:
Umm.. last save I see is from Ankka playing, Grs wrote 'got it' but dont see a save from him yet?
grs
nameless one
I am up and I will finish tomorrow.
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Sorry, fixed roster. Just slap me.
fixed roster. Just slap me.
grs
nameless one
Not much happened. I woke and disbanded all warriors. Rushed a few courthouses. The Forbidden Palace completed in Orleans. Sink the last 4 barb galleys in our waters, while losing one of our own. We get theology and gunpowder from The Great Library in 230AD, so it will obsolete in some turns.
I sent 3 galleys to explore the last lands. I think it is obvious where they go and how to get them there save, so I spare to paint it. We have 3 more galleys accumlated yet and a lousy 4 knights, but production can start now.
In my mind we can't really start any research of our own yet and should not do so after education. I would follow the Aztech invasion plan fast, take their four main cities and get techs for peace. At least that's what I would do on deity or below
I sent 3 galleys to explore the last lands. I think it is obvious where they go and how to get them there save, so I spare to paint it. We have 3 more galleys accumlated yet and a lousy 4 knights, but production can start now.
In my mind we can't really start any research of our own yet and should not do so after education. I would follow the Aztech invasion plan fast, take their four main cities and get techs for peace. At least that's what I would do on deity or below
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Gyathaar - Up
Doc - On deck
We'll need a lot more than four knights and three galleys to invade. How many units would be good for an invasion? 12? 16?
Doc - On deck
We'll need a lot more than four knights and three galleys to invade. How many units would be good for an invasion? 12? 16?
grs
nameless one
I would say at least 12 knights and maybe 4 muskets. That would be 8 galleys. I know I did not come close to this, but we needed some infra (courts) and exploring galleys and some productive cities missed barracks, because we focussed on the GL and filling our land - which we did very well, imho. Landing in 20-25 turns? Maybe faster if we use our cash to rush.
Doc Tsiolkovski
Deity
If I understand correctly, we do have Saltpetre? In other words, we're pretty close to our GA, correct?
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Excellent point Doc. A GA right now will help us immensely.
grs
nameless one
Sorry, forgot to mention that in my brief summary. It is under Amiens, the farthest part of our island
got it.. will try to play tomorrow
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Just so everyone knows, my workload at work has increased significantly, and thus my daytime internet time will be greatly curtailed. I will be checking in each evening.
My workload has been really high last couple of weeks too, and i havent had time to play turn yet.. should get it done after work today thou unless something unforseen happens (I am on on-call duty 
)
)
250AD, turn 0:
There is still 2 unmet civs.. we are keeping up on the power graph.. only netherlands is slightly ahead..
As expected our army is weak vs everyone
portugal dont have saltpeter hooked up, and I dont see it anywhere in their territory.
rome has salt not far from rome, but it isnt hooked up yet
dutch has no horses,iron or saltpeter hooked up..
aztec has saltpeter near tlaxcala.. their city nearest our island.. however i dont know if it is hooked up since they dont have gunpowder yet (they dont have horses or iron either)
decide to extablish an embassy with aztec to get an idea of how many units we will face
tenochtitlan is size 10.. 11spt, 2 turns left on knights templar... it is protected by.. :
14 spears
7 swords
3 longbows
also inspect the aztec city near us that has saltpeter in radius (tlaxcala):
building cathedral.. done in 21 turns
protected by 3 spears, and also a galley and a settler in it.. the salt is not hooked up... looks like this is a good first target to prevent aztecs from getting better defenders.
we have no outstanding deals with anyone, so are free to attack whenever we want.
very little MM is needed.. however i switch amiens to harbor so it can grow bigger than size 3
IBT:
Rome and netherlands sign alliance vs persia (rome declare on persia)
Oreleans: knight -> musketeer
lyons: court -> musket
tours: galley -> galley
marseilles: knight -> knight
avignon: court -> market
aztecs start sixtine
260AD, turn 1:
portugal has PP now. they want 51gold for contact with persians.. and I pay
persia is equal to us in tech, they have iron and saltpeter connected, but lack horses
establish embassy with persians
persepolis is size 12, making 27spt (golden age), and will finish knights templar in 4 turns.
it is defended by 6 muskets, 1 pike and a treb
persia is south of the dutch
persia is behind us on power graph..
IBT:
Rouen: galley -> galley
persians start knights templar
aztec complete KT in tenochtitlan
270AD, turn 2:
aztecs picked up gunpowder
IBT:
aztecs demand 20gold..
I was planning to declare on them in 2-3 turn to take their salt town, so this is an unexpected opportunity to perhaps get war happiness.. so i refuse.. and aztecs declare
Romans start sixtine chapel
280AD, turn 3:
I can lower lux to 20% from the war happiness
printing press has been traded around, so we should get it next turn from GLib, and we will most likely be abele to buy contact with the last civ then.
aztecs has 3 galleys in position to attack one of our galleys.. so decide to have the galley try to take a shortcut and end turn in a sea tile
IBT:
we learn printing press
Paris: knight -> musketeer
chartres: galley -> galley
Dijon: Harbor -> treb
loose the galley in sea square
290AD, turn 4:
troop movement
another of the eastern galleys face multiple aztec galleys or a turn in sea, so i pick the sea.
pay the dutch 76gold for contact with egypt
eqypt is backwards and we are up engineering,theology and chivalry on them (and all the techs beyond those)
egypt is at war with the dutch, and the weakest of everyone on the power graph
rome will pick up PP soon, so I sell it to them for 27gold and 4gpt
egypt get chivalry for 4gold and 5gpt (they dont have horses)
IBT:
Rouen: galley -> galley
The galley at sea square sinks (I am have bad luck with these it seems..)
300AD, turn 5:
ship 3 galleys with units towards aztec town.. more will follow next turn
establish embassy with egypt:
Thebes is a fishing capical (
) located in tundra far south of persians
it is protected by 6 pikes
IBT:
umm.. our ships had to spend 1 turn in portugese waters.. and on first callup they demand we automatically leave or declare war.. straight up RoP is not possible.. so I agree to leave and get kicked back one square..
orleans: Musketeer -> settler (it grew unhappy due to size last turn so I had to make a specilaist to prevent riot)
310AD, turn 6:
attack aztec galley outside our coast.. redline it but loose our galley
oh, now I understand why the galleys got kicked on first turn in portugese waters.. one of the exploring galleys was in portugese waters aswell and got kicked too
Portugal knows education now, so GLib will soon be obsolete .. however all other civs are pretty much broke, so ut may still be a few turns
IBT:
Reims: knight -> musket
Tours: galley -> treb
besancon: rax -> treb
320AD, turn 7:
unload 4 knights and 2 musketeers next to aztec salt city..
2 more galleys are ready to be leaded by units aswell.. but portugal will kick them out... so i sign RoP with portugal for 2gpt
IBT:
Paris: musket -> musket
Orleans: settler -> musket
Chantres: galley -> treb
Portugese complete sixtine chapel
330AD, turn 8:
education has been traded around, so will get it and make GLib expire next turn.
Decide to send the settler to the forest square 3 se of rheims..
IBT:
we get education...
Lyon: Musketeer -> market
Rouen: galley -> treb
grenoble: harbor -> treb
340AD, turn 9:
attack on tlaxcala
4/4 knight attack 4/4 spear.. knight gets hit by longbow, retreats.. spear is 3/4
4/4 knight kill 4/4 spear but readline
4/4 knight die to 3/3 spear.. spear promote and is 3/4
4/4 knight die to 3/3 spear.. spear redlines
4/4 knight kill 3/4 spear.. knight is 3/4
4/4 knight kill 3/4 spear.. knight is 3/4
4/4 longbow is on top.. decide to wait till next turn to continue attack
kill a 1/4 aztec galley with 3/3 galley, it promotes and becomes 2/4
found Cherbourg, set to build harbor
kill 5/5 galley with 3/3 galley.. galley goes to 1/3
kill 4/4 galley with 4/4 galley.. galley goes to 1/4
IBT:
aztec longbow attack 4/4 musketeer.. musketeer wins, drops to 3/4 and we enter golden age
marseilles: knight -> knight
350AD, turn 10:
3/4 knight attack 4/4 spear, knight wins and stays 3/4
3/4 knight attacks 3/3 spear, knight wins.. drops to 2/4 and we capture tlaxcala with 6 resistors and 2 slaves
Town has a lot higher fliprisk than I had though (aztecs dont have that high culture), so probably best to move the units inside it outside it and be ready to recapture it when it flips... leave 1 or 2 units to quell resisters so it can be starved.
The save
Edit: I forgot to MM cities for Golden Age... so it has to be done
There is still 2 unmet civs.. we are keeping up on the power graph.. only netherlands is slightly ahead..
As expected our army is weak vs everyone
portugal dont have saltpeter hooked up, and I dont see it anywhere in their territory.
rome has salt not far from rome, but it isnt hooked up yet
dutch has no horses,iron or saltpeter hooked up..
aztec has saltpeter near tlaxcala.. their city nearest our island.. however i dont know if it is hooked up since they dont have gunpowder yet (they dont have horses or iron either)
decide to extablish an embassy with aztec to get an idea of how many units we will face
tenochtitlan is size 10.. 11spt, 2 turns left on knights templar... it is protected by.. :
14 spears
7 swords
3 longbows
also inspect the aztec city near us that has saltpeter in radius (tlaxcala):
building cathedral.. done in 21 turns
protected by 3 spears, and also a galley and a settler in it.. the salt is not hooked up... looks like this is a good first target to prevent aztecs from getting better defenders.
we have no outstanding deals with anyone, so are free to attack whenever we want.
very little MM is needed.. however i switch amiens to harbor so it can grow bigger than size 3
IBT:
Rome and netherlands sign alliance vs persia (rome declare on persia)
Oreleans: knight -> musketeer
lyons: court -> musket
tours: galley -> galley
marseilles: knight -> knight
avignon: court -> market
aztecs start sixtine
260AD, turn 1:
portugal has PP now. they want 51gold for contact with persians.. and I pay
persia is equal to us in tech, they have iron and saltpeter connected, but lack horses
establish embassy with persians
persepolis is size 12, making 27spt (golden age), and will finish knights templar in 4 turns.
it is defended by 6 muskets, 1 pike and a treb
persia is south of the dutch
persia is behind us on power graph..
IBT:
Rouen: galley -> galley
persians start knights templar
aztec complete KT in tenochtitlan
270AD, turn 2:
aztecs picked up gunpowder
IBT:
aztecs demand 20gold..
I was planning to declare on them in 2-3 turn to take their salt town, so this is an unexpected opportunity to perhaps get war happiness.. so i refuse.. and aztecs declare
Romans start sixtine chapel
280AD, turn 3:
I can lower lux to 20% from the war happiness
printing press has been traded around, so we should get it next turn from GLib, and we will most likely be abele to buy contact with the last civ then.
aztecs has 3 galleys in position to attack one of our galleys.. so decide to have the galley try to take a shortcut and end turn in a sea tile
IBT:
we learn printing press
Paris: knight -> musketeer
chartres: galley -> galley
Dijon: Harbor -> treb
loose the galley in sea square
290AD, turn 4:
troop movement
another of the eastern galleys face multiple aztec galleys or a turn in sea, so i pick the sea.
pay the dutch 76gold for contact with egypt
eqypt is backwards and we are up engineering,theology and chivalry on them (and all the techs beyond those)
egypt is at war with the dutch, and the weakest of everyone on the power graph
rome will pick up PP soon, so I sell it to them for 27gold and 4gpt
egypt get chivalry for 4gold and 5gpt (they dont have horses)
IBT:
Rouen: galley -> galley
The galley at sea square sinks (I am have bad luck with these it seems..)
300AD, turn 5:
ship 3 galleys with units towards aztec town.. more will follow next turn
establish embassy with egypt:
Thebes is a fishing capical (
) located in tundra far south of persiansit is protected by 6 pikes
IBT:
umm.. our ships had to spend 1 turn in portugese waters.. and on first callup they demand we automatically leave or declare war.. straight up RoP is not possible.. so I agree to leave and get kicked back one square..
orleans: Musketeer -> settler (it grew unhappy due to size last turn so I had to make a specilaist to prevent riot)
310AD, turn 6:
attack aztec galley outside our coast.. redline it but loose our galley
oh, now I understand why the galleys got kicked on first turn in portugese waters.. one of the exploring galleys was in portugese waters aswell and got kicked too
Portugal knows education now, so GLib will soon be obsolete .. however all other civs are pretty much broke, so ut may still be a few turns
IBT:
Reims: knight -> musket
Tours: galley -> treb
besancon: rax -> treb
320AD, turn 7:
unload 4 knights and 2 musketeers next to aztec salt city..
2 more galleys are ready to be leaded by units aswell.. but portugal will kick them out... so i sign RoP with portugal for 2gpt
IBT:
Paris: musket -> musket
Orleans: settler -> musket
Chantres: galley -> treb
Portugese complete sixtine chapel
330AD, turn 8:
education has been traded around, so will get it and make GLib expire next turn.
Decide to send the settler to the forest square 3 se of rheims..
IBT:
we get education...
Lyon: Musketeer -> market
Rouen: galley -> treb
grenoble: harbor -> treb
340AD, turn 9:
attack on tlaxcala
4/4 knight attack 4/4 spear.. knight gets hit by longbow, retreats.. spear is 3/4
4/4 knight kill 4/4 spear but readline
4/4 knight die to 3/3 spear.. spear promote and is 3/4
4/4 knight die to 3/3 spear.. spear redlines
4/4 knight kill 3/4 spear.. knight is 3/4
4/4 knight kill 3/4 spear.. knight is 3/4
4/4 longbow is on top.. decide to wait till next turn to continue attack
kill a 1/4 aztec galley with 3/3 galley, it promotes and becomes 2/4
found Cherbourg, set to build harbor
kill 5/5 galley with 3/3 galley.. galley goes to 1/3
kill 4/4 galley with 4/4 galley.. galley goes to 1/4
IBT:
aztec longbow attack 4/4 musketeer.. musketeer wins, drops to 3/4 and we enter golden age
marseilles: knight -> knight
350AD, turn 10:
3/4 knight attack 4/4 spear, knight wins and stays 3/4
3/4 knight attacks 3/3 spear, knight wins.. drops to 2/4 and we capture tlaxcala with 6 resistors and 2 slaves
Town has a lot higher fliprisk than I had though (aztecs dont have that high culture), so probably best to move the units inside it outside it and be ready to recapture it when it flips... leave 1 or 2 units to quell resisters so it can be starved.
The save
Edit: I forgot to MM cities for Golden Age... so it has to be done
grs
nameless one
Very good, our first town! I would not build that many more musket, but knight instead. They will finish fast in our GA.
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