C3C PBEM : "Haiti" - Restart

[classical_hero]

The Mayans are no more. We killed them off and now we shall have more fertile lands to grow into. GPS.

 

[Luthor_Saxburg]

I recieved a map from the Mayans, I doubt I gave them mine. It was most likely in return for a pre-gunpowder tech.

In view of this I'd propose a change to the rules:

ALL Humans players are allowed to:
- Sell ONE tech to ONE native. (not per native)
- Sell World map ONCE to ONE native. (not per native)
- Buy World map ONCE to ONE native. (not per native)


All these 3 would be independent ONE time deals, not one per native specially because one native is already slaughter by merciless nations.

What do you think?

 

[fe3333au]

How about giving contacts to those who don't have them as well ...
Reason ... because the game was setup without natives up north we who have settled north (due to closest point) are in an unfair situation ... and I fear that remaining will be wiped out soon.

Actually in addition, I would prefer for fairness for ... the offending player to gift us ALL equal shares of the gold he got. ... and for the original non-trading rule to be re-applied.
(If he cannot remeber the gold he got ... we should estimate because in other games where this rule did not apply, the first trade was usually for ALL gold in the native bank)

Also, I think that ALL OTHER players can buy a map ONCE from natives.

I understand that the error was made by mistake but the above solution is to me more fair ... I think I prefer the No More Native Trading because the very next player will attempt to sell techs and then the next (if any gold left) ... third player and rest will not receive anything, as mentioned the way the game was configured the northern colonists are at a disadvantage which is the reason we decided on the rules.

Also there is one less native civ left ...

I'd even be tempted but too late now unfortunately, to add an auto raze native cities for the very same reason.

 

[qummik]

GPS 1506AD, turn 16.

 

[Luthor_Saxburg]

GPS.

I agree with Fe3333 proposal.

Can we trade maps amongst ourselves? I thought we couldn't but it's better to make sure we're all using the same rules.

 

[fe3333au]

Turn 16 - Court of Her Most Catholic Magesty, England ... Year of the Lord - 1506​

More Seminol bashing fun

Spoiler Lurkers Only :

For Lurkers only ... come on guyz play fair ... Bet you cheat at Patience

Happenings
>
Magnetism sent by France ... sent them Banking
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York trains Pikeman.
Bristol trains Pikeman.
Dublin builds Temple.

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nix founded.


Domestic Information
Economy - 221gp +4gp
Research - Metallurgy in 15 turns @ 40%
Entertainment - 0%
Government - Catholic Monachy

Resources
Luxuries ... Dyes
Strategic ... Iron x 2, Horses, Saltpeter



Cities

Bristol (G,T,M,L,C,W,H,B, - 5pop+2 (0xUnhappy), Culture 68/100+4, +12gp (0xTaxer), +9r&d (0xSage)
Corruption+0, Shields = 7/0 ... Colonist in 2
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Plymouth (G,T,M,L,C,W,H,B, - 5pop+1 (1xUnhappy) (0xJester), Culture 68/100+4, +10gp (0xTaxer), +6r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+0, Shields = 5/0 ... Pike in 1
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Dublin (G,T, - 3pop+2, Culture 2/10+2, +4gp (0xTaxer), +3r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+1, Shields = 5/0 ... Trebuchet in 3
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Jamestown (, - 2pop+5 (0xUnhappy), Culture 0/10+0, +2gp (0xTaxer), +1r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+4, Shields = 1/0 ... Courthouse RUSHED -44 gold
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Yorktown (, - 1pop+4 (0xUnhappy), Culture 0/10+0, +1gp (0xTaxer), +0r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+2, Shields = 1/0 ... Temple RUSHED -79 gold
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London (P,B,G,T,M,L,C,W,A,K,U,H,Nav, - 9pop+0 (1xUnhappy), Culture 301/1000+13, +23gp (1xTaxer), +0r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+0, Shields = 11/0 ... Bank in 1
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York (G,T,M,L,C,W,A,H,B, - 5pop+2 (0xUnhappy), Culture 118/100+4, +10gp (0xTaxer), +7r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+0, Shields = 9/0 ... Colonist in 2

Spoiler City Improvements :

P - Palace
B - Barracks
G - Granary
M - Marketplace
L - Library
C - Courthouse
W - Walls
H - Harbour
A - Aqueduct
K - Cathedral
U - University
Nav - Navigation School
Bk - Bank

Military

HMCaravel - Piety, () -> unloaded and returning
HMCaravel - Hope, () -> exploring
HMCaravel - Faith, (Worker, Pike, Colonist) -> New World bound.
HMCaravel - Charity (Colonist, Pike) -> goto new world ... near Archer
*Medieval Infantry = mace


Combat
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Barb Clearing
Mace (3/3) ->
vs. Seminole Archer (2/2) ... RIP ... camp cleared 25gp


Dipomacy

Met Aztecs

vs Spain - classical_hero (classical@X)
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Researching XXXX in ???
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We need to have a tech trading agreement together so that we can research fast into the game ... sent to ALL :shakehead
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I am wondering, but would the mighty Egnlish be willing to trade with the mighty Spanish?
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Not sure ... what you got?
>
Right now I am researching Mettalurgy, so unfortunately I do not have
anything for you right now, but I should have something soon so if you have
something in the future to trade for me, then it would be good.
>


vs Portugal - qummik (urmas@qummik)
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Researching = Colonisation in ??????
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Greetings Portugal from English
Sent you Banking ... met Aztecs interested in their contact? ... I am researching Professional Armies ... when will you be completed with Colonization?

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France - Luthor_Saxburg (tui.galvao@X)
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Researching Magnetism in ???
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Hi France from English
When will you be completed Magnetism ... I have Banking ready to swap ... I also have met Aztec interested in buying the contact?
>
Hi.
I thought we had a tech swap agreement - could u send me banking now and I will send you Mag when is completed? It should take 3 turns now.
Aztec... for how much are you willing to sell?
Cheers, Luthor

>
I sent banking ... also I send you Mayan for you to make an offer
>
Hi.
Do you want to swap Magnetism for Banking then?
What do you want for the Aztec contact?

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I have sent Banking to you for Magnetism ... and am sending Inca for you to make an offer, I already have Aztec


Dutch - von_Clausewitz (???@X) Aluminium Knight
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Researching Gunpowder in 2
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Had a deal with last Dutchman ... he probably didn't leave spoilers ... but you got Gunpowder soon and I another tech, are we still open to trade in less than a handfull of turns?? ... I will tell you the tech if we are still on ... Fe of the English
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though I am making some minor changes to the internal policies of the previous regime, a trade of techs would be just fine ... another matter that I am certainly unclear on is the Channel. do you mind if I sail ships through the Channel?

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as long as we are friends and help each other ... then it is ok ... I get Banking in 4 ... when do you finish Gunpowder?
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I'll have gunpowder in 5 turns ... A friendship with England would be most welcome.

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Hi Dutch from English
I am ready to send Banking, I am prepared to trust you and send now for Magnetism ... however I would accept 1 gold per turn before I receive your technology as an early delivery fee he he he ... also I have contact with Aztecs if you are inteested?
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Idiot ... but ends up good
Sorry I should read your correspondences before sending mine ... ooops I said Magetism ... which should read Gunpowder which you are researching ... I have started on Magnetism now!
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Hmmm ... this just in after I sent errata (but before he read it) ... I think he may be trading with others ... will have to watch that.
Thank you for the consideration. I would happily accept Banking, though I can't remember how many more turns till Magnetism. I can send over 1 gold for each turn until delivery as an 'incentive bonus' for the rapid progress from your end. No need to send contact with Aztecs, I spotted their cultural borders last turn and will be making contact soon enough. I think you had a unit close to where I lost my Explorer. The savage that did it may likely be wounded and his camp is now short 1 unit either way. Good luck and happy hunting.
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Yes Gunpowder. Should be done in 2 turns, sent to you in three so I added 3 gold to the deal. I will likely go for Printing Press next.
I guess I was wrong about the Aztecs, it was the Mayan borders I saw.
I sent contact with them in a seperate deal.
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Received your offer you I tust you so I have accepted BUT you forgot to send 1 gold ... so next turn send 2 gold
>
Them : Yes Gunpowder. Should be done in 2 turns, sent to you in three so I
added 3 gold to the deal. I will likely go for Printing Press next. I guess I was wrong about the Aztecs, it was the Mayan borders I saw. I sent contact with them in a seperate deal.


Aztec - AI
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Inca - AI
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Gave Aztec contact for World Map and 13 gold.


Notes

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On to the Dutch von Clausewitz


I don't see a problem with trading maps among ourselves

 

[Luthor_Saxburg]

Who has the file?

 

[fe3333au]

I sent it on when I reported.

 

[von_Clausewitz]

Sorry forgot tot post, sent to Classical a while back. I'll resend if needed.

 

[classical_hero]

I have already played it unless, you have turn 16. I resent the latest save.

 

[qummik]

GPS turn 16 again.

 

[von_Clausewitz]

It was 16. I'll resend.

 

[qummik]

GPS 1507AD, turn 17.

 

[fe3333au]

4 days and nothing ... how are we going!

 

[Luthor_Saxburg]

GPS.

Nothing to report... expect that my new PC is up and running!!!


.

 

[fe3333au]

Turn 17 - Court of Her Most Catholic Magesty, England ... Year of the Lord - 1507​

Things getting interesting

Spoiler Lurkers Only :

For Lurkers only ... come on guyz play fair ... Bet you cheat at Patience

Happenings
>
Magnetism sent by France ... sent them Banking
>
London builds Bank.
Plymouth trains Pikeman.
Jamestown builds Courthouse.
Yorktown builds Temple.

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nix founded.


Domestic Information
Economy - 238gp -7gp
Research - Metallurgy in 11 turns @ 50%
Entertainment - 0%
Government - Catholic Monachy

Resources
Luxuries ... Dyes
Strategic ... Iron x 2, Horses, Saltpeter



Cities

Bristol (G,T,M,L,C,W,H,B, - 5pop+1 (0xUnhappy), Culture 72/100+4, +9gp (0xTaxer), +10r&d (0xSage)
Corruption+0, Shields = 9/0 ... Pike in 1
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Plymouth (G,T,M,L,C,W,H,B, - 6pop+5 (0xUnhappy) (0xJester), Culture 72/100+4, +9gp (1xTaxer), +9r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+0, Shields = 5/0 ... Pike in 3
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Dublin (G,T, - 3pop+1, Culture 4/10+2, +3gp (0xTaxer), +4r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+1, Shields = 5/0 ... Trebuchet in 2
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Jamestown (C, - 2pop+4 (0xUnhappy), Culture 0/10+0, +1gp (0xTaxer), +2r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+2, Shields = 2/1 ... Worker in 3
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Yorktown (T, - 1pop+3 (0xUnhappy), Culture 2/10+2, +0gp (0xTaxer), +1r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+2, Shields = 1/0 ... Courthouse in 15
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London (P,B,G,T,M,L,C,W,A,K,U,H,Nav,Bk, - 9pop+0 (1xUnhappy), Culture 314/1000+13, +24gp (1xTaxer), +24r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+0, Shields = 12/0 ... Colosseum in 5
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York (G,T,M,L,C,W,A,H,B, - 5pop+0 (0xUnhappy), Culture 122/100+4, +9gp (0xTaxer), +9r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+0, Shields = 7/0 ... Pike in 1

Spoiler City Improvements :

P - Palace
B - Barracks
G - Granary
M - Marketplace
L - Library
C - Courthouse
W - Walls
H - Harbour
A - Aqueduct
K - Cathedral
U - University
Nav - Navigation School
Bk - Bank

Military

HMCaravel - Piety, () -> unloaded and returning
HMCaravel - Hope, () -> exploring
HMCaravel - Faith, (Worker, Pike, Colonist) -> New World bound.
... unload Pike, Worker at Yorktown
... Colonist near Mace.
HMCaravel - Charity () -> unloaded race home.
... Colonist, Pike race to settle Saltpeter with Dutch.
*Medieval Infantry = mace


Combat
>
Pending Archer has blocked Settler ... we need to settle both Saltpeter


Barb Clearing
Mace (3/3) ->
vs.


Dipomacy

Met Aztecs

vs Spain - classical_hero (classical@X)
>
Researching XXXX in ???
>
We need to have a tech trading agreement together so that we can research fast into the game ... sent to ALL :shakehead
>
I am wondering, but would the mighty Egnlish be willing to trade with the mighty Spanish?
>
Not sure ... what you got?
>
Right now I am researching Mettalurgy, so unfortunately I do not have
anything for you right now, but I should have something soon so if you have
something in the future to trade for me, then it would be good.
>


vs Portugal - qummik (urmas@qummik)
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Researching = Colonisation in ??????
>
Greetings Portugal from English
Sent you Banking ... met Aztecs interested in their contact? ... I am researching Professional Armies ... when will you be completed with Colonization?

>

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France - Luthor_Saxburg (tui.galvao@X)
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Researching Magnetism in ???
>
Hi France from English
When will you be completed Magnetism ... I have Banking ready to swap ... I also have met Aztec interested in buying the contact?
>
Hi.
I thought we had a tech swap agreement - could u send me banking now and I will send you Mag when is completed? It should take 3 turns now.
Aztec... for how much are you willing to sell?
Cheers, Luthor

>
I sent banking ... also I send you Mayan for you to make an offer
>
Hi.
Do you want to swap Magnetism for Banking then?
What do you want for the Aztec contact?

>
I have sent Banking to you for Magnetism ... and am sending Inca for you to make an offer, I already have Aztec
>
Look, forget the Aztec contact, let's just trade the
Banking for Mag, ok?


Dutch - von_Clausewitz (???@X) Aluminium Knight
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Researching Gunpowder in 2
>
Had a deal with last Dutchman ... he probably didn't leave spoilers ... but you got Gunpowder soon and I another tech, are we still open to trade in less than a handfull of turns?? ... I will tell you the tech if we are still on ... Fe of the English
>
though I am making some minor changes to the internal policies of the previous regime, a trade of techs would be just fine ... another matter that I am certainly unclear on is the Channel. do you mind if I sail ships through the Channel?

>
as long as we are friends and help each other ... then it is ok ... I get Banking in 4 ... when do you finish Gunpowder?
>
I'll have gunpowder in 5 turns ... A friendship with England would be most welcome.

>
Hi Dutch from English
I am ready to send Banking, I am prepared to trust you and send now for Magnetism ... however I would accept 1 gold per turn before I receive your technology as an early delivery fee he he he ... also I have contact with Aztecs if you are inteested?
>
Idiot ... but ends up good
Sorry I should read your correspondences before sending mine ... ooops I said Magetism ... which should read Gunpowder which you are researching ... I have started on Magnetism now!
>
Hmmm ... this just in after I sent errata (but before he read it) ... I think he may be trading with others ... will have to watch that.
Thank you for the consideration. I would happily accept Banking, though I can't remember how many more turns till Magnetism. I can send over 1 gold for each turn until delivery as an 'incentive bonus' for the rapid progress from your end. No need to send contact with Aztecs, I spotted their cultural borders last turn and will be making contact soon enough. I think you had a unit close to where I lost my Explorer. The savage that did it may likely be wounded and his camp is now short 1 unit either way. Good luck and happy hunting.
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Yes Gunpowder. Should be done in 2 turns, sent to you in three so I added 3 gold to the deal. I will likely go for Printing Press next.
I guess I was wrong about the Aztecs, it was the Mayan borders I saw.
I sent contact with them in a seperate deal.
>
Received your offer you I tust you so I have accepted BUT you forgot to send 1 gold ... so next turn send 2 gold
>
Them : Yes Gunpowder. Should be done in 2 turns, sent to you in three so I
added 3 gold to the deal. I will likely go for Printing Press next. I guess I was wrong about the Aztecs, it was the Mayan borders I saw. I sent contact with them in a seperate deal.


Aztec - AI
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Inca - AI
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Notes

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On to the Dutch von Clausewitz

 

[von_Clausewitz]

GPS to Classical

 

[qummik]

GPS 1508AD, turn 18.

 

[fe3333au]

Turn 18 - Court of Her Most Catholic Magesty, England ... Year of the Lord - 1508​

Cleared a Seminole camp and got premoted

Spoiler Lurkers Only :

For Lurkers only ... come on guyz play fair ... Bet you cheat at Patience

Happenings
>
York trains Pikeman.
Bristol trains Pikeman.
>
nix founded.


Domestic Information
Economy - 231gp -17gp
Research - Metallurgy in 7 turns @ 50%
Entertainment - 0%
Government - Catholic Monachy

Resources
Luxuries ... Dyes
Strategic ... Iron x 2, Horses, Saltpeter



Cities

Bristol (G,T,M,L,C,W,H,B, - 6pop+3 (0xUnhappy), Culture 76/100+4, +9gp (0xTaxer), +15r&d (0xSage)
Corruption+0, Shields = 7/0 ... Colonist in 2 ... Colosseum then Knight
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Plymouth (G,T,M,L,Ct,W,H,B, - 6pop+4 (0xUnhappy) (0xJester), Culture 76/100+4, +8gp (1xTaxer), +10r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+0, Shields = 5/0 ... Pike in 2
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Dublin (G,T, - 4pop+0, Culture 6/10+2, +4gp (0xTaxer), +6r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+1, Shields = 4/0 ... Trebuchet in 1 ... Harbour next
>
Jamestown (Ct, - 2pop+3 (0xUnhappy), Culture 0/10+0, +1gp (0xTaxer), +2r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+2, Shields = 2/1 ... Worker in 2 ... Harbour next
>
Yorktown (T, - 1pop+2 (0xUnhappy), Culture 4/10+2, +0gp (0xTaxer), +1r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+2, Shields = 1/0 ... Courthouse in 14 ... Harbour next
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London (P,B,G,T,M,L,Ct,W,A,K,U,H,Nav,Bk, - 9pop+2 (1xUnhappy), Culture 327/1000+13, +18gp (1xTaxer), +28r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+0, Shields = 12/0 ... Colosseum in 4
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York (G,T,M,L,Ct,W,A,H,B, - 5pop+0 (0xUnhappy), Culture 126/100+4, +7gp (0xTaxer), +12r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+0, Shields = 11/0 ... Colosseum in 6 ... assisted with chop

Spoiler City Improvements :

P - Palace
B - Barracks
G - Granary
M - Marketplace
L - Library
Ct - Courthouse
W - Walls
H - Harbour
A - Aqueduct
K - Cathedral
U - University
Nav - Navigation School
Co - Colosseum
Bk - Bank

Military

HMCaravel - Piety, (2 x Pike, Worker) -> to New World
... Pike and Worker at Yorktown
... Pike near Mace
HMCaravel - Hope, () -> hone for workers for Dublin
HMCaravel - Faith, (Worker, Pike, Colonist) -> New World bound.
... unload Pike, Worker at Yorktown
... Colonist SW Mace.
HMCaravel - Charity () -> race home.
... Colonist, Pike race to settle Saltpeter with Dutch.
*Medieval Infantry = mace


Combat
>
Pending Archer has blocked Settler ... we need to settle both Saltpeter


Barb Clearing
Mace (2/3) -> (2/3) -> (3/4) veteran
vs.
Seminole Archer (2/2) ... RIP ... 25gp cleared camp

Dipomacy

Met Aztecs

vs Spain - classical_hero (classical@X)
>
PEACE but don't trust
Researching Metallurgy in ???
Military - AVERAGE
Past Deals ... nix
Trade options ... Banking, Inca
>
Spain ... We need to have a tech trading agreement together so that we can research fast into the game ... sent to ALL :shakehead
>
Spain ... I have metalurgy, what can you offer for it?
>
Me ... I have Banking ... swap?
Better to get early and trade on for Naval Ordinance
>
Spain ...
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vs Portugal - qummik (urmas@qummik)
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PEACE
Researching = Colonisation in ???
Military - WEAK
Past Deals ... Printing Press for Banking
Trade Options ... Magnetism
>
Me ... When will you complete Colonisation ... Do you want to trade for it, I notice you do not have Magnetism ????

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Portugal ...
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Me ...


France - Luthor_Saxburg (tui.galvao@X)
>
PEACE
Researching ?? in ???
Military - AVERAGE
Past Deals ... Banking for Magnetism
Trade Options ... nix
>
Me ... What are you researching and are you interested in trading fro it?
>
France ... Hi.
Do u want to buy wine? How about 3 gpt's? ... I'm researching Naval Ordenance. And you? ... Do you want to trade territory maps?
Cheers,
Roy de France

>
Me ... Not sure about wines will have to check when my turn ... but am interested
Metallurgy is my current project
Don't know about Maps will also have to check if we are in same area.

Will send a firmer reply when I have save ... thanks
>


Dutch - von_Clausewitz (???@X) Aluminium Knight
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PEACE but Strained settling race
Researching Colonisation in ???
Military - AVERAGE
Past Deals ... Banking for Gunpowder
Trade Options ... nix
>
Me ... What are you researching and are you interested in trading fro it?
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Dutch ... I am reasearching Colonialism
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Me ...
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Dutch ...
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Aztec - AI
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Inca - AI
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Notes

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On to the Dutch von Clausewitz

 

[fe3333au]

@ von_Clausewitz regarding the mistaken trading of a tech with an AI native civ ... in the spirit of fairness will you gift all other players a share of the gold you received ???