Can Israel join the EU in the future?

Can Israel join the EU?


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In the thread about Turkey someone outlined the posibility of Israel's accession to EU. What do you think about it?

1) Can EU accept country like Israel?

2) Is the membership in EU in Israel's interest?
2b) Do you think the membership in EU can provide Israel any security insurances?

3) What about Arab world, won't the Israel's membership jeopardize the EU position?

4) What about Palestinians? Should they join EU along with Israel?
 
Related article:

Iraq and Israel in the EU: Peace through Accession?

by Leon Hadar

Leon Hadar is a research fellow in foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute.

Now that the Anglo-American coalition has demonstrated its military might in Mesopotamia, the European Union (EU) seems to have only two policy options. The Europeans can continue pursuing the French-oriented approach of challenging U.S. preeminence in the Middle East, including its military presence in Iraq and its pro-Israeli agenda. The EU could, also, wait for the American hegemon to throw it a few diplomatic and economic crumbs, in the form of oil deals in Iraq and a role in drawing the "road map" to Israeli-Palestinian peace.

However, the EU might opt for a "third way." It could follow the dramatic U.S.-led military victory, by striking a diplomatic coup that could put the Europeans in the Middle East's driver's seat. To achieve that, the Europeans should remove the obstacles to the prompt entry of Turkey into the EU. They should also announce their readiness to open negotiations with a free and democratic Iraq, as well as with Israel and an independent Palestinian state that could lead to latter's gradual accession into the EU -- albeit a goal that would take many years to achieve.

By adopting such a strategy of constructive engagement in the Middle East, the EU could try, through the use of diplomatic and economic resources, to achieve the kind of goals that the Bush Administration is trying to advance through the usage of its military power: challenging the status quo in the Middle East and pursuing peace and political/economic reform there.

Indeed, it's time for the Europeans to conclude that they cannot continue to secure their interests in a region, with which they maintain strategic, business, and demographic ties, by burnishing their "pro-Arab" credentials and by propping-up bankrupted corrupt political elites. That policy may have helped to produce short-term economic interests and re-direct the hostility of the "Arab street" against the United States.

However, perpetuating the rule of Arab autocrats has only helped to turn the strategic and economic periphery of Europe into one of the least advanced and most unstable parts of the global economy. The Middle East not only exports oil to the EU, but also hundreds of thousands of poor and angry immigrants that have become a demographic time bomb.

While both the Israelis and the Palestinians regard Washington as central to any resolution of their conflict, the EU remains marginalized in the process. It is both the largest provider of aid to the Palestinian Authority (PA) and Israel's most important trade partner. However, the EU has failed to translate that economic leverage into diplomatic influence.

Signaling to the Israelis and the Palestinians that a peaceful resolution to their conflict could be a ticket for admission into the EU, would be more than just enticing them with economic rewards. Conditioning Israel's entry into the EU on its agreement to withdraw from the occupied territories and dismantle the Jewish settlements there, would strengthen the hands of those Israelis who envision their state not as a militarized Jewish ghetto but as a Westernized liberal community.

The tragic fate of the European Jewry served as the driving force for the creation of Israel, and welcoming the Jewish state into the European community makes historical and moral sense.

The prospect of joining the EU could help launch a process of economic and political liberalization in an independent Palestine and an Iraqi federation. In the same way that the establishment of NAFTA produced pressure for democratic reform in Mexico, the evolution of trade and institutional ties between the EU, Palestine and Iraq, and eventually Jordan, Syria and Lebanon, could lay the foundations for a movement towards democracy in the entire Levant.

Indeed, the hopes for EU membership have already played a critical role in accelerating democratic change in Turkey, leading to the collapse of the old political order and the election of a reform-minded Islamic-democratic party. Putting Turkey's EU membership on hold only gives a boost to those in the military and the nationalist and Islamic groups that want to reorient Ankara's foreign policy from the West towards Iran, Russia and China. If anything, the recent tensions between Washington and Ankara over Iraq and the Kurds only demonstrates that anchoring Turkey in the EU is both in the interest of the Americans and the Europeans and could help also stabilize post-Saddam Iraq.

The much-maligned Old Europe could end up providing the needed economic and diplomatic resources and helping to create a New Middle East. Even a unilateralist Washington should welcome such a role.

This article was published by In The National Interest, May 14, 2003.
 
Winner said:
1) Can EU accept country like Israel?

What do you mean by "like" ? Geography ? Culture ? Political vision ?
Geography : no ( see point #3 )
Culture : limit case, but yes
Political : no, too close from the US ( BTW, I would reject UK if they wanted to come in now ;) )

If I had to vote on this, I would say NO.

Winner said:
2) Is the membership in EU in Israel's interest?

Sure. That would be good for them and their economy.

Winner said:
3) What about Arab world, won't the Israel's membership jeopardize the EU position?

That's the point !! If we accept Israel, we open the door to countries that have not territorry in Europe. It shoudld be clear that members must have a part of their territory on the european continent. And if we let Turley in, it has to be our border with middle-east. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a EUROPEAN Union anymore ;)

Winner said:
4) What about Palestinians? Should they join EU along with Israel?

If we really HAD to accept Israël, then why not Palestine, Lebanon, Syria,... ? Actually, I would reject all of them. We can, and we should, build partnership to insure peace in that area. But that doesn't mean they earn to be UE members.
 
MaisseArsouye said:
That's the point !! If we accept Israel, we open the door to countries that have not territorry in Europe. It shoudld be clear that members must have a part of their territory on the european continent. And if we let Turley in, it has to be our border with middle-east. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a EUROPEAN Union anymore ;)

Well, really, wouldn't it just be expanding Europe's borders and isn't that a good thing?
 
zulu9812 said:
Well, really, wouldn't it just be expanding Europe's borders and isn't that a good thing?

No, it wouldn't expand Europe, it would dilute it. We had better push for neighbouring areas ( middle-east, Africa,... ) to build their own unions and create strong partnerships with them.
 
In the future, if the Isreali's were to have developed a strong peaceful relationship with Palestine and had impoved relations with the rest of the Arab world, then I could see it happening. But not anytime in the next 15 years, no. Not intill the conflict is long resolved and the Iseali's have gotten rid of the more extreme right-wingers in their government. It would not be profitable at all for the EU under the present circumstances, and besides many in the EU would not want it because of Isreal's current governments hardline stance.

Palestine would need to be a fully functioning state with a cemented poeace before the EU would take Isreal.
 
MaisseArsouye said:
What do you mean by "like" ? Geography ? Culture ? Political vision ?
All of this.
Geography : no ( see point #3)
Culture : limit case, but yes
Political : no, too close from the US ( BTW, I would reject UK if they wanted to come in now ;) )
Geography: Irrelevant, please realize that geographically there is no Europe. Europe is only the Asian peninsula ;)
Political: Actually, Israel's political system is more similar to the continental-European one than for example British ;)
Sure. That would be good for them and their economy.
From what I've read on some Israeli forums, I've got an impression the Israelis actually fear the prospect of EU membership. They usually think the EU is anti-semitic power.
Check this: http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?t=3033

That's the point !! If we accept Israel, we open the door to countries that have not territorry in Europe. It shoudld be clear that members must have a part of their territory on the european continent. And if we let Turley in, it has to be our border with middle-east. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a EUROPEAN Union anymore ;)
Was the Roman Empire only the city of Rome? ;)
I think the word "Europe" means just a cultural sphere.
If we really HAD to accept Israël, then why not Palestine, Lebanon, Syria,... ? Actually, I would reject all of them. We can, and we should, build partnership to insure peace in that area. But that doesn't mean they earn to be UE members.
Yes, why not? After they have functional democracy and working market economy and share values of peace and freedom, I won't have any problem with their membership.
 
MaisseArsouye said:
That's the point !! If we accept Israel, we open the door to countries that have not territorry in Europe. It shoudld be clear that members must have a part of their territory on the european continent. And if we let Turley in, it has to be our border with middle-east. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a EUROPEAN Union anymore ;)

Well, Israel is competing in the euro cups in football and the Eurovision song contest for example ;). You'd never see Lebanon a part of this even though they're geographically closer. Why?
 
Cilpot said:
Well, Israel is competing in the euro cups in football and the Eurovision song contest for example ;). You'd never see Lebanon a part of this even though they're geographically closer. Why?
Isreal compete's in these because half the Arab nations won't even regonise their legality as a state, let alone welcome their football team over for a match.
 
If Turkey joins, then Israel should not join cause of the divisive element. However if EU just wants to have fun then they could do it.
 
Shaihulud said:
If Turkey joins, then Israel should not join cause of the divisive element. However if EU just wants to have fun then they could do it.

I don't see how. Turkey and Israel are allies.
 
Another related article ;)

Nothing Personal / Europa-bound

By Thomas O'Dwyer



When faced with an incompetent, corrupt, mendacious, war-mongering government of timeservers and self-servers, it's hard to think of any policy it might come up with that might merit a nod of approval. But lo, on Tuesday up speaks Silvan Shalom - the foreign minister without the portfolio who lives in the Prime Minister's Office - and announces that Israel might apply to join the European Union.

It was neither big news nor even new news - in our newspaper it merited only an item in the unread wasteland beside page two ads - and was hedged in with possible maybes. "Shalom said he is not excluding that this government will ask for full membership in the EU," said Marco Pannella, an Italian member of the European Parliament.

Shalom's minions confirmed the quote: "In principle, the minister thinks a possibility exists for Israel to join the EU since Israel and Europe share similar economies and democratic values." But the official added, "It doesn't mean he is preparing the dossier for applying tomorrow." Well, of course not, dear - did any ministry here ever prepare anything for tomorrow?

It may still be an eccentric view, but I have always written that Israel belongs in Europe, culturally, economically and practically. One can go further and suggest membership in Europe offers the state the best long-term guarantee of continued existence, and a non-militaristic way to confound its remaining enemies. Who would dare to attack a European Union country?

It offers huge economic benefits that would more than compensate for American handouts, and a whole stack of essential EU legislation would stabilize and underpin the increasingly shaky pillars of democracy here.

Israelis who are miffed at the EU's support for Palestinian independence, are always sniffing that they want nothing to do with the EU, yet enthusiastically leap into anything that is prefixed with "euro," whether it be a cheesy song contest or out-of-its-league sporting events. And in 1996, Israel became the first ever non-European country to join a lucrative five-year EU program for technical research and development under a scientific cooperation agreement that was signed with great ceremony in Brussels.

It was interesting to note that Silvan's comment was greeted everywhere with the same reaction as almost anything he says - yawn! It's about the same level of interest as you can find in the media about next week's Euro-Med ministerial meeting that will take place in Crete. The Euro-Mediterranean Partnership was launched at the 1995 Barcelona Conference between the EU and its 12 Mediterranean partners - also called the Barcelona Process by anyone who remembers.

However, of all people, the Iranians pounced on Shalom's statement. IRNA, the national news agency, citing both Silvan and Haaretz, quickly reassured its readers that Israeli EU membership was "highly unlikely in the foreseeable future." Quoting some obscure EU observer, IRNA said: "The EU requires would-be members to have good relations with their neighbors. This would mean that Israel must dramatically improve its relations with [its neighbors], most crucially Palestine. Other criteria demand candidates respect minorities and human rights that would include rejecting state- sponsored extra-judicial killings."

A visitor from another planet could be forgiven for thinking the United States must be Israel's next-door neighbor and that Europe must be far, far away across the Atlantic, a place of which we know little and care less. Yet Paris and London are the number one destinations for Israeli tourists and the EU is the country's biggest trading partner by far. The euro has been catching up with the dollar as Israelis' favorite foreign investment currency.

Israel is closer to Europe and naturally belongs in the European bloc. All those nations are diverse in culture, languages and economies - and Israel would fit right in alongside the new candidates. U.S. Senator Jesse Helms once said, "The European Union couldn't organize its way out of a wet paper bag." Not so - it's really President George Bush's vision of a Middle East common market, including Israel, that is the wet paper bag no economist will ever try to organize.

The Arab states may have a common language, religion and culture from Morocco to Iraq, but as one economic analyst said: "They don't trade with one another - mostly they scarcely speak to one another. Israel is not a natural belonger in the Middle East. Politics aside, few Arab imports would suit us, few of our exports are suitable for them. It is actually through membership in the EU that Israel would truly find its place as a trading partner with the Arab world."

On a former visit to the EU Commission headquarters in Brussels, a commission official told me that the union's involvement with Israel "is a dense network of long-standing and outstanding relations between the two sides." That jibes ill with the negative slurs Israelis cast at Brussels when they hear some opinion they don't like - one journalist even called the EU a "source of political infection" that Israel should avoid.

South of the Mediterranean median line there are only two democracies, Cyprus and Israel, so a European could be forgiven for wondering why bother with the fractious and uncooperative Mediterranean Middle East at all - squabbling Greeks and Turks, snarling Israelis and Palestinians, Arab dictators, medieval economies and primitive social mores.

However, Israel's divided neighbor Cyprus is well on the way to full EU membership, and this movement alone has already seen the 30-year-old border between Greeks and Turks thrown open in recent weeks. Even without a political settlement, there is no way both sides of a divided nation can fail to benefit politically and economically from membership of the union - just as divided Ireland did when it joined more than 40 years ago, despite the interim violence in the north.

European self-interest is as good a motive as any for bothering with Euro-Med - it has the merit of being honest. "The EU partnership aims toward a Euro-Med charter for peace and stability and on a range of other practical measures," an official said at the last Euro-Med conference.

There is agreement to establish a disaster-management network across the Mediterranean ... Experts discuss issues such as drugs, terrorism, organized crime, social affairs, cultural heritage, and many youth exchange programs. But in Crete, no doubt, neurotic Arabs will again complain about Israel, paranoid Israelis will complain about Israel-bashing - maybe not much of a Euro vision thing, but better than war, war.

Emma Bonino, the EU parliamentarian and leader of the Italian Radical Party, has for long campaigned for Israel to join the EU. "I think it's important that we not see Europe anymore as a geographic, Christian club," she said in a recent interview. "The turning point was when the EU, even theoretically, was open to Turkey. Europe is a political project. The criterion to join the EU was set by the European Council in Copenhagen, and includes parliamentary democracy, a certain standard in human rights and so forth." For now, in her view, Copenhagen excludes any Arab countries.

"But unfortunately and not by chance," she said, "the Israeli leadership does not want to even hear about this issue, because one way or another they know that Europe is also a discipline, and that if Israel joined the EU, it would be Europe negotiating with the Arab world." Over to you, Silvan.
 
Winner said:
1) Can EU accept country like Israel?

Yes although not until the Palestinian question is sorted. A better idea might be for both Israel and Palestine to become EU member states simultaneously (though this would likely be decades away)

Winner said:
2) Is the membership in EU in Israel's interest?

The EU is Israels biggest trading partner indeed as far back as 1995 an EU Israeli Trade Agreement was signed.

Israels trade deficit with Europe is larger than with the rest of the world combined so from an economic standpoint alone it would be in the interests of Tel Aviv to become a member of the trade block.

In military terms being an EU member would also be advantageous given that access to EU military R&D and resources would reduce its dependence on the United States.

Winner said:
3) What about Arab world, won't the Israel's membership jeopardize the EU position?

Not if the powers-that-be had the brains to have Palestine join at the same time. With Turkey likely a member already by then it would actually help the Union look like less of a Christian club.

Winner said:
4) What about Palestinians? Should they join EU along with Israel?

Certainly. Indeed it would be a very big mistake if they didn't.

In the long term it would also be a very good geo-strategic decision to give the EU a foothold in the Middle-East.
 
I suppose im prejudice, but I can't see a predominantly muslim nation being allied with Israel. Though I don't know much of the issue between those 2, all muslims I have spoken to hate Israel with a passion.
 
Shaihulud said:
I suppose im prejudice, but I can't see a predominantly muslim nation being allied with Israel. Though I don't know much of the issue between those 2, all muslims I have spoken to hate Israel with a passion.

There are actually already strong ties between Israel and Turkey and to a somewhat lesser extent Jordan.
 
Hotpoint said:
Yes although not until the Palestinian question is sorted. A better idea might be for both Israel and Palestine to become EU member states simultaneously (though this would likely be decades away)
I agree.
The EU is Israels biggest trading partner indeed as far back as 1995 an EU Israeli Trade Agreement was signed.

Israels trade deficit with Europe is larger than with the rest of the world combined so from an economic standpoint alone it would be in the interests of Tel Aviv to become a member of the trade block.

In military terms being an EU member would also be advantageous given that access to EU military R&D and resources would reduce its dependence on the United States.

Do you think the membership in EU can provide Israel any security insurances? (good question, I'll add it to the first post)

Not if the powers-that-be had the brains to have Palestine join at the same time. With Turkey likely a member already by then it would actually help the Union look like less of a Christian club.

Certainly. Indeed it would be a very big mistake if they didn't.

In the long term it would also be a very good geo-strategic decision to give the EU a foothold in the Middle-East.

Again, I agree.
 
I think Israel and the EU both wouldn't want it.

Israel sees Leftish Europe as unfair and unbalanced toward the Israeli conflict and leftish Europe sees Israel as a criminal state and have a certain sympathy for the terrorist who fight against them.

I don't see it happening. Maybe in 20 years but not in the near future.
 
Drunk Master said:
Israel sees Leftish Europe as unfair and unbalanced toward the Israeli conflict and leftish Europe sees Israel as a criminal state and have a certain sympathy for the terrorist who fight against them.

I don't see it happening. Maybe in 20 years but not in the near future.

Slightly O/T but it should be pointed out that although Israel may be thought of as right-wing in some terms, much of its domestic internal politics are actually far closer to the European norm than some might think.

For instance look at the number of Prime Ministers that have come from the Social Democratic leaning Labor Party.

If you take away the Palestinan question Israel would actually be to the left of many EU states.
 
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