TheLastJacobite
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Eritrea is called "Tadjoura"
Re: Boston- Wasn't in town today. A bunch of friends and family members were scattered throughout the city, all fine. One of my cousins was near the finish line, but wasn't injured
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Eritrea is called "Tadjoura"
Re: Boston- Wasn't in town today. A bunch of friends and family members were scattered throughout the city, all fine. One of my cousins was near the finish line, but wasn't injured
SouthernKing
crickety cricket
Someone should really make another labeled map, since nobody can tell those post-colonial African countries apart. I'd do it, but I'm not on a computer.
talonschild
Drive-By NESer
Oh. Whoopsie.
JohannaK
Heroically Clueless
I'm sorry, I'd do it but I only control the names of North African/Kongolese ex-colonies.
Bair_the_Normal
転輪聖王
Spoiler :
1: Spain
2: Galicia
3: Portugal
4: Euskadi
5: Catalonia
6: Sardinia
7: Italy
8: Corsica
9: Occitania
10: Poitou
11: Dauphine
12: Brittany
13: Orleans
14: Burgundy
15: Great Britain
16: Normandy
17: Flanders
18: Netherlands
19: Germany
20: Switzerland
21: Denmark
22: Scandinavia
23: Russia
24: Hungary
25: Croatia
26: Serbia
27: Cechy-Morava
28: Bosnia
29: Romania
30: Bulgaria
31: Roman Empire
32: Turkey
33: Papal States
34: Kurdistan
35: Persia
36: Egypt
37: Libya
38: Sudan
39: Abyssinia
40: Tadjoura
41: Adjuuramark
42: Hollandia
43: Kongo
44: Tanganyeken
45: Mozambique
46: Burundi
47: Zambia
48: Mutapa
49: Botswana
50: Zulu
51: South Africa
52: Oranjien
53: Ovamboland
54: Chokweland
55: Angola
56: Brazil
57: Paraguay
58: Uruguay
59: Argentina
60: Chile
61: Peru
62: Ecuador
63: Colombia
64: Venezuela
65: Costa Rica
66: Nicaragua
67: Honduras
68: Mayaland
69: Aztlan
70: Cuba
71: Hispaniola
72: Puerto Rico
73: Jamaica
74: Florida
75: Jacksonia
76: United Proletarist Republics of America
77: United States of America
78: Vinland
79: Hashemite Sultanate
80: India
81: Kazakhstan
82: Afghanistan
83: Tibet
84: China
85: Guangxi
86: Japan
87: New Zealand
When does new user go away?
Do you think EG would mind if I post some messages to countries?
@Mysterium: First of all, this sort of stuff belongs on the main thread. Second of all, the recommendations provided above are about what I would have given you. Libya is probably a good choice. As for joining, I don't really allow for players to post diplomacy on their first turn, at least not until they get orders in for their first update. So really, wait until the next update on the main thread before conducting any diplomacy.
Bair_the_Normal
転輪聖王
Wealth: Europe Edition
Index of EP per MP:
0.09 and below: Red
0.1 to 0.19: Orange
0.2 to 0.29: Yellow
0.3 to 0.39: Light Yellow
0.4 to 0.49: Light Green
0.5 to 0.59: Green
0.6 and above: Dark Green
Russia takes the lowest, at 0.054402 EP/MP.
Sardinia takes the highest, at 2.066667 EP/MP.
Index of EP per MP:
0.09 and below: Red
0.1 to 0.19: Orange
0.2 to 0.29: Yellow
0.3 to 0.39: Light Yellow
0.4 to 0.49: Light Green
0.5 to 0.59: Green
0.6 and above: Dark Green
Russia takes the lowest, at 0.054402 EP/MP.
Sardinia takes the highest, at 2.066667 EP/MP.
Spoiler :
m.t.cicero
Good Kid
Nice map, but I'm confused about how Flanders could be poorer than Bulgaria. Could Flanders have a higher MP/actual pop ratio than Bulgaria?
Bair_the_Normal
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EP/MP is a bad measure of wealth for several reasons. EP does not equal gross domestic product, and MP is only the available military population, not the actual population of the nation. Thus, a nation might have a glut of military aged males, due to not having most of them killed in a recent war, or they might have a government that acquires very little tax income from its population, for varying reasons. This hypothetical nation has high MP and low EP, which would make it look bad, while the actual wealth of the population could conceivably be much higher. Also, EP says nothing about wealth distribution, which is important when consider how 'poor' a nation is.
m.t.cicero
Good Kid
Whoops, forgot to modify Bulgaria.
Oh no, it all looks right to me based on the numbers. It just seems that MP and EP don't really scale that well, since I doubt that the average Corsican actually makes 4x more than the average German, even in this TL.
edit: Thanks for the elaboration, Iggy, these figures make more sense now.
Bair_the_Normal
転輪聖王
Yeah. I was too lazy to do anything realistic, so I just used nuka's scale.
I'll write something up later when I feel like it, though I figure it would be a lot easier if we had more info that we don't have.
Thanks though!
Jehoshua
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Iggy is of course right, but its still interesting to see what nation has the greatest amount to spend in relation to the amount of men they can draft into their armies as a very general indication of national wealth. Ergo the map still shows broadly that the (Byzantine/Russian) sphere has very little to spend relative to the population of army age men, which is a very basic indicator that those countries are more likely to be dirt poor when it comes to wealth per person.
Lord of Elves
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EP per manpower, in addition to all its other failings, is a poor way to view the quality of living available to people in a Revolutionary society. I do mean that basically in all seriousness. Individual wages and wealth is secondary to the amount of amenities which citizens receive as beneficiaries of the state.
Here in the Fatherland free public housing is provided to employees of the Workers' Trade Congress labor unions, for example. This might not necessarily be true in the UPRA/Jamaica, however.
I do mean that basically in all seriousness. Individual wages and wealth is secondary to the amount of amenities which citizens receive as beneficiaries of the state.Here in the Fatherland free public housing is provided to employees of the Workers' Trade Congress labor unions, for example. This might not necessarily be true in the UPRA/Jamaica, however.
See the thing I dont like about all this butt hurt about the EP to MP scale is that this is the ONLY reliable money and population indicator we have. If we assume that most nations have their military eligible men as ages 18-45, and considering that most societies have roughly equal men and women in society, I don't find my scale to be worthy of such complaints. It might be 'unrealistic' but I am using the stats I have. We can claim so much more about other stuff being realistic or unrealistic, but with the simple facts of countries like Honduras having a high ep per mp ratio, one can infer that TTL Honduras is much wealthier than ours, and to me, that makes the maps interesting 
Jehoshua
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See the thing I dont like about all this butt hurt about the EP to MP scale is that this is the ONLY reliable money and population indicator we have. If we assume that most nations have their military eligible men as ages 18-45, and considering that most societies have roughly equal men and women in society, I don't find my scale to be worthy of such complaints. It might be 'unrealistic' but I am using the stats I have. We can claim so much more about other stuff being realistic or unrealistic, but with the simple facts of countries like Honduras having a high ep per mp ratio, one can infer that TTL Honduras is much wealthier than ours, and to me, that makes the maps interesting
still, one has to say for example that this scales results pertaining to the relative wealth of Sardinia are perplexing due to that nations low manpower and very high military per manpower ratio... (which would suggest to me that Sardinia gets a lot of its income through either very high taxes, or from means unrelated to the wealth of its citizens).
So although the scale does give a general indication of wealth it does produce some strange results in places.
