Capto Iugulum Background Thread

[talonschild]

Idaho is a fake name anyway.

Which means you are entirely justified in straight-up inventing something nonsensical.

 

[Lord of Elves]

First Monoplane: Brazil, 1916
First Carrier: Brazil, 1917
First Carrier Dedicated Fighter: Brazil, 1921

First GIGANTIC EFF-OFF CANNON SO POWERFUL IT MUST BE MOUNTED ON RAILROAD TRACKS: Denmark, 1926.

First tank was the Washington M1 Barrel, 1906 (?), United States of America

First airplane built was in the United Kingdom by the Churchill Brothers in 1900.

First military aircraft was the Cannock, 1910 (?), built in the United Kingdom.

I believe Britain also developed the first battlecruiser (1905, perhaps?).

First specialized, military submarine - Nordenfelt-class, Scandinavia (1901?)
First use of chemical weaponry - Brandenburg(?)

 

[Terrance888]

Fukuntos

 

[Luckymoose]

Continued from the main thread.



Regarding the internal politics of the United States, I have stuck with what existed east of the Mississippi all I could, although I couldn't bear to see the Upper Peninsula of Michigan be the State of Delta, so I gave it the name Superior, which is the name it would have if it ever actually was an independent state. I know that Vinland has their own names for the Great Lakes, but as I don't know what the English versions are, I am sticking with the OTL names, except Ontario is instead named Lake Dammark.

Also, because of the presence of Detroit, I'm going to assume that there were still many French explorers present in the New World, and thus there are a lot of things with French names in the Great Lakes region.

Regarding the dropping of names in the West, I am abolishing the names that reference the Scottist era. I am rather discontented with renaming the state to Idaho. I am open to take other suggestions for naming, should any be presented.

You're making the mistake of assuming that anything from OTL should be named as such. The Great Lakes for example, Lake Superior was from a French name. The French never colonized North America in this world. That lake should be named something else. So your state of Delta would never have the possibility of being named Superior. You've effectively ruined what interesting Alt-Hist stuff the USA had going for it by using names that are from our world and have no meaning in in this one.

 

[GamezRule]

I am aware of Superior being derived from a French name, Delta is simply just terrible name for that state, and the change was snuck in before I knew the origins of the name. Furthermore, the City of Detroit exists for whatever reason, so I have decided to run with that and make the claim that the British hired French explorers to explore the Great Lakes, likely from Normandy. There are several other French names throughout this region. I don't see the trouble in adding one more.

I've made no changes outside of changing the name of Delta to what already existed.

 

[Luckymoose]

English paid explorers name things English names.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

For the record, the lakes in Vinlandic are Kolossala (Superior), Stormiga (Michigan), Massiva (Huron), Maktiga (Erie), and Jätte (Ontario).

 

[Grandkhan]

Regarding Idaho;

Generally places are named after what the original settlers called them, or, you know, just renamed after whatever famous person you want.

So a good question is, what did the original settlers of what is OTL Idaho call it in this TL?

How are colonies named;
a) as New-X, X being the place they came from, or just X - case in point New York/Amsterdam, New England, Berlin (in Ontario)
b) after a person - in places colonised in the 15-1800s, the king or some other monarch (Victoria, Virginia (the Virgin Queen), Prince Rupert's land, the Phillipines), or perhaps an early explorer (Drake's Bay). In America, names of founding fathers are somewhat popular for city names.
c) native names and words (and their corruptions), be they for the actual tribe that lives there or just some other word which the first settlers thought meant their tribe (case in point, Canada, which comes from the Iroquoian word for village (I think) - the natives were pointing Jacques Cartier to their village, saying, 'Kanata' and he took it to mean the name of their tribe). In America, we see a lot of these; Manhattan, Massachusetts, Tennessee (taken from the name of a Muskogee village called Tanasqui), etc.

Idaho is an invented name because somebody thought it was an Indian word. Frankly it makes no sense to have it as a state name in the same location, the odds of that are pretty low. Frankly, having any states have the same name and borders is pretty ridiculous, given that the POD of this timeline would have to be sometime in the 1400s at the latest (because the Roman Empire still exists and the Aztec Empire survived till the 1800s), so frankly Superior isn't the absolute worst thing to have.

Back to Idaho. Most of the region would be inhabited by the Shoshone, so perhaps Shoshone or some corruption of it would be a good name. The other possibility is Nez Perce, so maybe Perce, or a corruption like Percy? Percy sounds like a cool name for a state.

So to conclude, I would name the area Percy or Perce, given you've already got several states named after people and as a general rule Americans don't name their states New X, with New York being an exception because it was named by the British anyway.

 

[ZeletDude]

Idaho came from an Indian word which supposedly meant "Light on the mountains". You could alternatively name Idaho after a Nez Perce word as Grandkhan mentioned. Such as Appaloosa or something, or something based off the word Nez Perce its self.. (It means off the mountains), and Idaho is very mountainous.. and beautiful

You could also name it after a Bannock word, they inhabited Idaho as well, a third possibility would be something to do with the Kootenai or Salish tribes

/Idahoan speaking here/

 

[GamezRule]

Speaking of Idaho, Terrance and I already renamed it. Check the thread.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=12156508&postcount=2269

That said, I suppose it would be possible to purge the Great Lakes Region from its OTL French influence that found its way into this TL. The only problem with this is that literally everything would need to be renamed, as just about anything worth mentioning on the Great Lakes is a French rendering of native words, or just a French word by itself. I still like the idea of the region being settled by Normans on behalf of Great Britain.

 

[Terrance888]

Idaho came from an Indian word which supposedly meant "Light on the mountains"

supposedly, as in the word didn't exist until an underprepared government official needed to come up with a recommended name in organizing the territory.

EDIT: Gamez is playing off the local french names and the Norman-British alliance of the time.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

Idaho came from an Indian word which supposedly meant "Light on the mountains". You could alternatively name Idaho after a Nez Perce word as Grandkhan mentioned. Such as Appaloosa or something, or something based off the word Nez Perce its self.. (It means off the mountains), and Idaho is very mountainous.. and beautiful

You could also name it after a Bannock word, they inhabited Idaho as well, a third possibility would be something to do with the Kootenai or Salish tribes

/Idahoan speaking here/

The key is the 'Light on the Mountains' thing was a hoax, and a highly contingent hoax which makes its repetition astoundingly unlikely.

 

[GamezRule]

See my above post as I have heavily modified it.

Also, for you lazy bastards to lazy to click the link, Idaho was renamed to Donebi, which is an English rendering of a Shoshone word for mountains.

 

[ZeletDude]

supposedly, as in the word didn't exist until an underprepared government official needed to come up with a recommended name in organizing the territory.

EDIT: Gamez is playing off the local french names and the Norman-British alliance of the time.

The key is the 'Light on the Mountains' thing was a hoax, and a highly contingent hoax which makes its repetition astoundingly unlikely.

Uhm...... i think I would know that.. I live there after all

 

[Lord_Iggy]

Credit to Terrance here.

 

[GamezRule]

Two more changes have been made to de-French the Great Lakes. Illinois is now Illini, and Delta/Superior is now Algonkia.

 

[Blue Bacon 3]

Those are some really cool names.

 

[ZeletDude]

Credit to Terrance here.

I need not read about the state I live in.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

Nothing wrong about not knowing an obscure etymological fact about the place you're from. I still am not sure about the etymology of my home city, and it's only 114 years old.

 

[ZeletDude]

Yes, but I already knew about it , I just worded my post weird. That's why I said supposedly, I should've put it in quotes or something