You sure she actually took the throne? I don't recall that one and didn't see it in my notes. Ah well, you fix it then, I'm going home now.
Capto Iugulum Background Thread
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Luckymoose
The World is Mine
Yep, she was empress during the BT after Pedro II died and she herself died in the 1904 update. The article says so.
She championed women's rights.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
I haven't done the numbers on all the other planes yet, but it could be fun to see. If we go by 100-125 planes in a squadron (since EQ upped the size), then we could do stats for all aircraft produced in a manner like this:
4,300 - 5,375 P-27* Fighters (43 Squadrons) have been constructed by Brazilian factories since 1928 (none were produced in '27). Of these, 3,700 - 4,625 planes remain in active service around the globe on five continents. Almost all combat losses of the P-27 have occurred in China, with a squadron being lost in the United States in the Reclamation War in 1934. This means that on average 900 P-27s are produced annually in Brazil, or 2 and 1/2 planes a day. During peacetime. Beware WW2!
*includes variant P-27T
4,300 - 5,375 P-27* Fighters (43 Squadrons) have been constructed by Brazilian factories since 1928 (none were produced in '27). Of these, 3,700 - 4,625 planes remain in active service around the globe on five continents. Almost all combat losses of the P-27 have occurred in China, with a squadron being lost in the United States in the Reclamation War in 1934. This means that on average 900 P-27s are produced annually in Brazil, or 2 and 1/2 planes a day. During peacetime. Beware WW2!
*includes variant P-27T
BTW, Lucky, since you're into this, feel free to make a list of the most famous/infamous or mass-produced aircraft and tanks (both Brazilian and world-wide). I can't guarantee that I'll have the time to draw all of those, but I may at least try. It's something I've been craving to do for weeks.
Luckymoose
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I'll do it tomorrow. There will be problems, though, as a lot of NPCs and PCs have scrapped equipment that used to be everywhere, like the P-21 Fighter, for example. That makes stat gathering almost impossible for old stuff, but it won't be hard to guesstimate for your art purposes.
Yeah, I doubt anyone knows the exact numbers, even EQ himself. I'll have to talk to him about how he envisions different designs based on their stats. Some older planes and tanks, for instance, have such high stats, they may be equal to much later designs of OTL.
Plus, I still have to figure out in which fields of science CI is ahead or beyond OTL. Jet engines is obviously one of the diversions, but there may easily be others.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
The P-21 was similar in appearance and performance to an Polikarpov I-16. The P-27 is much more advanced, and still is one of the top performing prop fighters in the world, but EQ will have to compare.
In the past I've compared the P-27 to the Mustang used by the USA in WW2 more or less. In terms of performance anyways. Actually, I have somewhat kept track of what weapons and so forth have been produced the most. Nautically, not so much, due to heavy losses, but in terms of aircraft and tanks, here's a quick list of the tanks which are the most present on a global scale, or rather, have seen the most action in the most varied theaters:
Armored Vehicles
1. T-20 (Russian)
2. CKC-LTP 22 (Czech)
3. Tonneau Victorieux (Franco-Burgundian)
4. Lejon-Modell (Vinland)
5. Mk2 Cataphract (UK)
The T-20 has already been depicted in the picture of UPRA soldiers fighting back the US tank, portrayed as a T-20. I've always envisioned both the CKC LTP and the Tonneau Victorieux as interwar tankettes, somewhat close to the early panzer models, but overall, fairly quick and light weapons. The Lejon-Modell I actually have always imagined to be similar to the Sherman. The Cataphract is actually in all probability would be a more heavily armored and higher gunned Sherman as well.
Armored Vehicles
1. T-20 (Russian)
2. CKC-LTP 22 (Czech)
3. Tonneau Victorieux (Franco-Burgundian)
4. Lejon-Modell (Vinland)
5. Mk2 Cataphract (UK)
The T-20 has already been depicted in the picture of UPRA soldiers fighting back the US tank, portrayed as a T-20. I've always envisioned both the CKC LTP and the Tonneau Victorieux as interwar tankettes, somewhat close to the early panzer models, but overall, fairly quick and light weapons. The Lejon-Modell I actually have always imagined to be similar to the Sherman. The Cataphract is actually in all probability would be a more heavily armored and higher gunned Sherman as well.
That specific picture was fairly sloppy, so it's quite likely I'll redraw it.
Also, I was thinking about, maybe, using some OTL experimental prototype planes and tanks as a source of inspiration for the CI ones. Just not to draw the same vehicles everyone knows from real history. A Sherman with a Vinlandic black crown instead of an American white star on the turret is not very interesting, unless you're from a Sherman-tank fanclub.
UPD: EQ, I just thought about it and want to ask you not to delete obsolete tank and plane designs from the main thread the way you're going to delete the obsolete doctrines. It'll help me to understand the evolution of planes and armor in CI timeline better.
Okay, here's a list of the vehicles that I associate with CI tanks (feel free to look them up, I just don't want to overload the post with pictures):
M1 "Prussia" Tank - "Little Willie" British prototype tank
M1916 VB - Austro-Hungarian der Burstyn tank
Lodjur-Modell Stridpansar - Canadian Autocar armored vehicle
T-17 - Russian Mendeleev heavy tank
M2B Armored Car - American King Armored Car
T-20 - Soviet BT-2 (EQ told me T-20's stats make it look more like a BT-7, but I'm still more attracted to the design that is not so well known; if EQ insists on a later model, we may at least take BT-SW-2 Cherepakha)
Björn-Modell Stridpansar - Polish Ford T armored car (with a better armor and weaponry)
Rörlig Skyddkanon - Belgian Minerva armored car (with a better gun)
CKC-LTP 22 - Czechoslovakian Tančík vz. 33
Tonneau Victorieux - French Renault FT Kegresse-Hinstin M26/27
Type-92 Light Tank - Japanese Type 94 tankette
Lejon-Modell Stridpansar - British Vickers 6 Ton tank
Mk2 Cataphract - British A6 "Sixteen tonner" or Medium Mark III
T-28 - Soviet A-34 main battle tank (prototype of T-34)
Weyland Medium Tank - German VK 20.01 (D)
Laelaps Light Tank - Czechoslovakian LT vz. 34
M1930 Lince Light Tank - Spanish Trubia A4
[to be continued, I want to sleep]
M1 "Prussia" Tank - "Little Willie" British prototype tank
M1916 VB - Austro-Hungarian der Burstyn tank
Lodjur-Modell Stridpansar - Canadian Autocar armored vehicle
T-17 - Russian Mendeleev heavy tank
M2B Armored Car - American King Armored Car
T-20 - Soviet BT-2 (EQ told me T-20's stats make it look more like a BT-7, but I'm still more attracted to the design that is not so well known; if EQ insists on a later model, we may at least take BT-SW-2 Cherepakha)
Björn-Modell Stridpansar - Polish Ford T armored car (with a better armor and weaponry)
Rörlig Skyddkanon - Belgian Minerva armored car (with a better gun)
CKC-LTP 22 - Czechoslovakian Tančík vz. 33
Tonneau Victorieux - French Renault FT Kegresse-Hinstin M26/27
Type-92 Light Tank - Japanese Type 94 tankette
Lejon-Modell Stridpansar - British Vickers 6 Ton tank
Mk2 Cataphract - British A6 "Sixteen tonner" or Medium Mark III
T-28 - Soviet A-34 main battle tank (prototype of T-34)
Weyland Medium Tank - German VK 20.01 (D)
Laelaps Light Tank - Czechoslovakian LT vz. 34
M1930 Lince Light Tank - Spanish Trubia A4
[to be continued, I want to sleep]
Lord of Elves
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I'm not certain any Rörlig Skyddkanons were actually produced for military use. They were kind of a failed (or more accurately, stillborn) venture into defensive armor. The more you know.
Quisani
Gaming Person
I'll be working on Japan in spurts, EQ
@Ahigin: I've actually already deleted a number of armored vehicle designs. For example, there was a model that was designed by the Americans that came before the Prussia made by the British. Unfortunately space requirements have caused me to delete these, but good news is, that I am recording most of these older stats anyways, for history's sake.
@LoE: Actually, some have been produced for military use. They are currently in the possession of the German army.
@LoE: Actually, some have been produced for military use. They are currently in the possession of the German army.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
The Trubia A4 is a bit weaker than how I see the M1930 Lince. If the other tanks are more advanced, there is no reason to suspect the most advanced light tank in the world is that poorly designed. They're probably more like Panzer II's.
They're probably more like Panzer II's.Spoiler :
In that case, please, send me a PM with the deleted designs.
I also had this thought, that's why I'd like to use Trubia A4 only as an inspiration (similar shapes, but different chassis and armament). If I were to use any other design, I'd use some WWII French light tanks, since Panzer II is already used for Weyland Medium Tank (VK 20.01 (D) was an early prototype of Panzer II).Luckymoose said:
Bair_the_Normal
転輪聖王
The Mark 1 "Washington" Barrel, IIRC.
Ok, let's continue with the list.
Cho-Ra Support Carriage - Japanese Type 98 So-Da
Philips Model 2 'Colt' Tankette - American M1 Combat Car
Equality-type Medium Tank - American T2 Medium Tank (with better armament, probably)
Char Compagnon Heavy Tank - French Char B1 Bis
CKC-LTP 34 Medium Tank - Czechoslovakian Škoda T-21
Your comments are welcome.
Cho-Ra Support Carriage - Japanese Type 98 So-Da
Philips Model 2 'Colt' Tankette - American M1 Combat Car
Equality-type Medium Tank - American T2 Medium Tank (with better armament, probably)
Char Compagnon Heavy Tank - French Char B1 Bis
CKC-LTP 34 Medium Tank - Czechoslovakian Škoda T-21
Your comments are welcome.
TheMeanestGuest
Warlord
I think you're going with models that are way too early in most cases.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
Armor tech is roughly 1940's, IMO. Air tech is right up there too.
I already said so about T-20 once, but EQ made a point that the stats make this tank an equivalent of 1930s armor (while T-20 itself was designed in 1920). Sometimes I kinda feel it's a hole in the game-mechanics, but at the same time think about CI history: conventional warfare was revolutionized by the Great War almost ten years ahead of OTL, and then no "interwar" period followed, because big wars between industrially developed countries continued going almost non-stop. Naturally, it lead to the development of more effective war machines.
