Capto Iugulum Background Thread

[ChiefDesigner]

@Terrance888: Whatever do you mean? It's perfectly in character for a nation to attack a friendly enighbor with whom it has numerous trading agreements and economic pacts with. And of course, it's to be expected to do so without a declaration of war. It's also only reasonable to attack alongside a nation with whom you just waged a brutal war upon less than a decade before. On top of that, it's practically a must to wage such a war if the people at stake are proletarists who in the past tried to murder you. It'd be obscene to expect even the slightest Stability reduction or major economic recession you'd suffer if making such a decision.

Just like how the OTL United Kingdom, after sending forces to support the Whites, signed an alliance with the Soviet Union?

Stab hits and recessions are totally understandable, but Florida is interested in Floridian survival, and in the face of a revanchist USA that has broken its /own/ peace treaties and trade agreements with the UPRA, I think a decent case for war can be made.

Besides a few pieces of paper, what stops Florida from being next?

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

Indeed, I was just sarcastically pointing out one side of the argument.

 

[ChiefDesigner]

Heh, point taken.

Apologies >.>

 

[Terrance888]

The matter of fact was, Florida had positive interests with Brazil at this time (indeed, in my eight years as Florida I bounced "between" Brazil and the USA at least 3 times) which would prove for something. Also, Florida had made an unofficial deal with the USA (1926 IIRC) wherein Florida shall regain at least New Barcelona and Louisiana, and any additional land Florida could have grabbed.

Fighting alongside the United States against the UPRA, leveraging Brazilian help, sneak attacking Jacksonia with a better fleet, these all seem better alternatives than fighting the USA.

I see this as the moment the Stallions might rise. EDIT: Which, if you didn't know, are a group of isolationist famers who are slightly put off by the Reformed Party during the Johnstonian Era and whom IIRC put a female candidate for the election. She got boo'b'd off stage.

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

Well the biggest issue I see is the oil agreement between Florida and the USA, which is still in effect. The US is Florida's biggest customer in so many ways, and a war will not be good for the local economy, devastating in fact. It's good news for Russia though, as long as the sea lanes remain clear, as it means they get yet another nation to export oil to. Any other agreements pale in significance when it comes to a declaration of war.

On the other hand, ChiefDesigner is exactly right. There is every reason to expect that the US could come after Florida or Jacksonia next. Similarly, Florida has actually had amicable relations every once in a while with the UPRA.

 

[Terrance888]

On amiable relations with UPRA I have no experience in that and thus will make no further comment.

Idea of Brazil protecting Florida from USA sounds interesting, though.

 

[Luckymoose]

It all depends on which coast the Russians are actively supporting. By what you've said, I'm guessing the east. It does make for a cool hypothetical situation, but I don't really see why the USA would import all the way from Russia when Aztlan or Venezuela are so close by. It isn't like the Moralist governments cut off the USA in any way. Hmm, speaking of that this whole war will be muy profitable for Brazilian exporters...

Brazil is actively in a defensive agreement with Florida. The keyword being defense. And this whole conflict is the farthest from defense, so Brazil won't be involved in anyway that is beyond protecting its Moralist allies, the canal, and Caribbean.

That said, USA is going to be such a hellhole after all this.

 

[Terrance888]

Which is why instead of preemptive war with USA, Florida should grab pieces of UPRA or Jacksonia, if at all, and rely on Brazil if USA comes for them.

Edit: of course, delusions of victory can justify all sorts of ooc-ness. Ergo, if they win it shall be retroactively IC and correct play.

 

[Crezth]

Why do I need to import oil at all? The nazis ran WW2 off of the Ploiesti oil fields, and the US - being fractured and poor forever - surely doesn't have an oil demand I can't satisfy domestically.

 

[Terrance888]

USA prime exporter of cars.

 

[Shadowbound]

Yeah, I doubt industry in the US is significant enough that it needs to import oil, even from Florida.

 

[Luckymoose]

Pretty sure Argentina and Brazil suck up most of that tasty gasoline milkshake.

 

[TheLastJacobite]

Brazil has killed proletarist governments. Russia hasn't the balls to kill the mouth piece of the Proletarism on her own border.

Well, that's not really an option when both the UK and Germany have made it very clear that such an action would spark a new world war

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

Cars are plentiful in the USA, during Azale's time as the US, he made sure that such production was given a jumpstart to compete with foreign automotive companies. As these domestic groups never really succeeded on the international scene outside of Vinland and Florida, there's plenty of home produced automobiles sucking up gasoline in the United States. Admittedly though, the oil imports are not critical in nature, and between the oil reserves still under American control, the resources being shipped in (for free I might add) by the Russians, and other sources of refined goods (i.e. Aztlan and Venezuela) Florida's loss isn't that big of a deal to the United States. It IS a big deal to Florida though, as the US was their largest customer, plus thanks to previous treaty agreements, Florida's largest oil company is actually partially based in the United States. Company board meetings are about to get very awkward.

 

[Luckymoose]

Well, that's not really an option when both the UK and Germany have made it very clear that such an action would spark a new world war

Come on, TLJ! When have either of us cared about silly things like that? Channel your inner TWTUD and let's watch Europe destroy itself.

 

[TheLastJacobite]

Come on, TLJ! When have either of us cared about silly things like that? Channel your inner TWTUD and let's watch Europe destroy itself.

Easy for you to cheer from the sidelines, well out of harm's way.

 

[Crezth]

OK, cool.

 

[Luckymoose]

Easy for you to cheer from the sidelines, well out of harm's way.

Roles have reversed, indeed, but we can still be winners together. Friends?

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

Friends don't send "You've sure got a nice country here, it'd be a shame if something...happened...to it" Private Messages to new friends' friends.

 

[Luckymoose]

Friends don't send "You've sure got a nice country here, it'd be a shame if something...happened...to it" Private Messages to new friends' friends.

I think you're forgetting how "nice" TLJ was in TWTUD.