Capto Iugulum Background Thread

[spryllino]

Continental is preferable to European because we Confederates have always liked using it whenever possible. (Cf. the LCN.)

Confederation of ... States is preferable to ... Confederation because the former is more like the phraseology of how such things tend to be named in reality, and also succeeds in accentuating the autonomy of the states, and is thus more plausible in the circumstances.

 

[Nuka-sama]

I've been making a wiki page for the Reclamation War. I feel the Battle of Charleston deserves a page for itself.

I hope I didn't miss the other names, but I termed the two sides "Unionists" (for USA, Russia) and "Free States" (everyone else), since in all reality, Florida, the UPRA and Jacksonia were not officially allied.

 

[Terrance888]

Gaul was the Roman name for the area occupied by the Celtic Tribes. Not the Frankish Tribes.

Reread what I said. We did not disagree. I don't understand your point, bro.

 

[Nuka-sama]

Terrance, they're not like the Irish, there's not this super strong Celtic remnant

 

[Gem Hound]

Reread what I said. We did not disagree. I don't understand your point, bro.

Calling it Gaul would imply that the people that were pushed out by the French were never pushed out. The French are Germanic(based off of Roman Naming) Same thing with the Lombards, Visigoths, etc. The Bretons would be all that is left of what was called Gaul, with all the other Celtic Nations barring Galicia being a part of Britannia. I just think it would not make any sense culturally to call it Gaul.

 

[Terrance888]

I was making a snide poke at them referencing their "Holy Roman Roots" by calling it "West Francia" by saying they should reference their true Roman roots by calling it "Gaul" or Gallia or Gallic. To the effect of it being an administrative region. I have no idea why they must be referencing Frankish tribes, when the idea of Frankish/French unity is abhorred and poisoned, while the idea of unity within the "Frankish region" is upheld and cherished. Going further back in time to champion Vercingetorix and Ceasar is a way to do it without the Francia/France/French/Frankish linguistic problems.

EDIT: Reread our comments.

I said if they want to be historical, Gaul is preferable to West Francia since not only will they be referencing True Rome instead of Holy Rome, also because the twisted Drexlerians couldn't twist that into some kind of Frankish-German Unification movement. You said that Gaul is part of Rome and aren't franks... which is what I said.

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

@nuke: If you want to add Battle of Charleston page, be my guest, a good part of it is already set up from the post I made a while back.

 

[Nuka-sama]

@Eq, that's what I was planning on

 

[Gem Hound]

I was making a snide poke at them referencing their "Holy Roman Roots" by calling it "West Francia" by saying they should reference their true Roman roots by calling it "Gaul" or Gallia or Gallic. To the effect of it being an administrative region. I have no idea why they must be referencing Frankish tribes, when the idea of Frankish/French unity is abhorred and poisoned, while the idea of unity within the "Frankish region" is upheld and cherished. Going further back in time to champion Vercingetorix and Ceasar is a way to do it without the Francia/France/French/Frankish linguistic problems.

Well, then they should go and call it Occidentali Germania if they do that, not Gaul.

 

[Terrance888]

"West Germania" didn't exist. There was "Lesser Germania" between the Rhine and the Elbe, and "Greater Germania" between the Elbe and the Oder, as well as the lands beyond in general. Also, "West Germania" gives a greater temptation to them Drexlerian nationalists instead of defusing them.

Anywho, throwing my support behind the Confederation of European/Continental States. Or even Confederation of European/Continental Nations, which puts a greater emhasis on the League of Continental Nations moreso than the Franco-Burgundian Confederation.

 

[Gem Hound]

Precisely, which is why they should not go back to Roman times at all, that would cause most nations in Europe to give the Drexlerian Nationalists reasons to rise up. Everything from the English part of the UK, France, Spain, Italy, Germany and Austria, and the majority of the Islands in the Mediterranean.

 

[Terrance888]

Explain, as that makes no sense to me whatsoever.

EDIT: I made a mistake with Roman-German provinces. Germania Inferior is Netherlands. Germania Superior is Rhinelands. Lesser Germany and Greater Germany aren't provinces, but general regional designations.

 

[spryllino]

No, not the Confederation of Continental Nations; that's bad because they're not nations as such. That's almost the main point of the Septembrist ideology.

 

[Terrance888]

Sure. Confederation of Continental States. Confederation of European States. The latter has a nice acronym of "CES", which can be manipulated. The CESian armies. The CESsite Parliament. :3

EDIT: Ok, Nuka manages to answer my question where you, Gem Hound, has failed. Gaul would emphasis non-existant celtic heritage too much. Got it.

 

[Gem Hound]

Explain, as that makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Well, you see, the Roman Empire was over run by what was considered the "Germanic Tribes". This included the French who pushed the Bretons(Armoricans) back to their current holdings, with the sword, axe, and spear, the Gothic tribes who further pushed back the Basques(who had been displaced by the Celts already) and rampaged over the Iberian Penninsula, North Africa, and Southern Italy. The Italian Cultural Groups are very much so Germanic as well. This is due to the Romans being overrun by the fleeing tribes that were being chased by the Huns. The English are also Germanic, since the Angles, Saxons and Jutes fled over the North Sea to land in Kent and Anglia, after being invited by the Celtic King Vortigern as mercenaries to fight in his wars to become the High King of Britannia.

 

[Terrance888]

Your argument is still weaker than Nuka's. And Roman name =/= Roman revivalism, I don't think.

 

[Gem Hound]

Your argument is still weaker than Nuka's. And Roman name =/= Roman revivalism, I don't think.

So, it seems you are looking at a map, and not history. Gaul = Celtic Tribes, Germania = French, Italian, English, Gothic, etc.

I do not see how my argument is weaker than Nuka's, since all Nuka did was spout one line without proof, when I posted proof that built my answer.

 

[JohannaK]

Confederate States of Europe.

 

[Terrance888]

Because your argument has nothing you are arguing about. You have plenty of proof, but I have no idea who you are tying to prove. Nuka said no Celtic culture. He assumed I am smart enough to realize what he meant and the info behind you. You said a bunch of nothing that I already know about, and assumed I know your argument. He has an argument and I have the proof. You have no argument and provided a bunch of useless proof. Ergo his a

 

[Terrance888]

Gemhound, you provided no argument at all, just a bunch of proof. I have no idea what you are tryin to say whatsoever, other than the fact that you are assuming I don't know my basic history. Nuka assumed I know what's up and just gave me an argument. I automatically filled in the spots and was instantly convinced by it.

Nuka provided an argument and won me. You provided proof and no argument. Ergo, nuka provided a stronger argument.

Edit: damn cell phone.