Capto Iugulum Background Thread
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Ophorian
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I'd argue that the Franconian Confederacy sounds just as awful, and the Occitanian Empire completely disregards Paris, Burgundy, Dauphine, and Orleans, who were willing entrants. Hell, the capital is IN Orleans.
The Confederation of Frankish States would've worked, but I suppose that implies that all Frankish states were in the Confederation. Eh, maybe I just have an odd perception of how good things sound.
The Confederation of Frankish States would've worked, but I suppose that implies that all Frankish states were in the Confederation. Eh, maybe I just have an odd perception of how good things sound.
Terrance888
Discord Reigns
If I completely don't use "France" or anything
Gaulic Confederation
Confederation of Gaul
New Gallic Confederacy
Rhine Rhone Confederation
Rhine Rhone Loire Confederation
Rhine Pyrenees Confedeartion
Confederation of West German States
West German Confederation
New Confederation
Confederation of Orleans
Confederation of (insert treaty name)
Gaulic Confederation
Confederation of Gaul
New Gallic Confederacy
Rhine Rhone Confederation
Rhine Rhone Loire Confederation
Rhine Pyrenees Confedeartion
Confederation of West German States
West German Confederation
New Confederation
Confederation of Orleans
Confederation of (insert treaty name)
Jehoshua
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I know where Franconia is, I suggested that name as a nod to the fact Germany was hegemon over the French states, implying that it was just an extension of German power. The Occitanian Empire suggestion was a jab at the fact Occitania clearly dominates the confederation simply due to its size and power compared to the other members. Ergo not serious suggestions
The second one I suppose is reasonable, but as Ophorian noted it implies expansionist intentions.
The second one I suppose is reasonable, but as Ophorian noted it implies expansionist intentions.
Bair_the_Normal
転輪聖王
Franco-Occitaine Confederation.
Terrance888
Discord Reigns
Four Rivers Confederation
Rhine-Rhone-Loire-Seine Confederation
Democratic Republican Confederation of States
Rhine-Rhone-Loire-Seine Confederation
Democratic Republican Confederation of States
J.K. Stockholme
Right Opposition
I expected somebody to crudely assert something along those lines.
Regarding the name, note that it was done by schizophrenic committee (me, EQ, EQ, EQ, and another EQ). I proposed French Confederation, but for as people are aware, between the French Brotherhood and the New France Party in Burgundy, the idea of Frenchness isn't really thought of in a good light.
The other candidates were Frankish Confederation and the Loire-Rhone Confederation. West Francia, due to this timeline's extended Holy Roman Empire, was the most legitimate name, and additionally, was an actual geographic location (rather than two rivers, or an even more archaic ethnic group).
Terrance888
Discord Reigns
So East Francia just annexed Lotharangia?
It's time to get medieval in da haus.
It's time to get medieval in da haus.
Terrance888
Discord Reigns
So a truly united Drexlerian ethnic empire is a "Francitte" Empire of "Francian" People consisting of all the land between the Elbe and the Atlantic?
Gem Hound
Deity
Name suggestion:
Frankitania?
http://denalternative.org/img/ethnic_groups_of_france.jpg
Remember, the French are still multiple peoples though...
Maybe the "Union of Occitania and Frankia"? (UOF)
Those three are 100% impossible since the only people who can be considered of "Gaul" that are left are the scattered Celtic Nations.
Frankitania?
http://denalternative.org/img/ethnic_groups_of_france.jpg
Remember, the French are still multiple peoples though...
Maybe the "Union of Occitania and Frankia"? (UOF)
Those three are 100% impossible since the only people who can be considered of "Gaul" that are left are the scattered Celtic Nations.
christos200
Never tell me the odds
United States of Francia?
talonschild
Drive-By NESer
I'm partial to the Confederation of [treaty name], but unfortunately you signed it in Paris.
Grandkhan
Telvanni Master Wizard
Faranjistan.
In all seriousness, I'm partial to the Franco-Occitan confederation.
In all seriousness, I'm partial to the Franco-Occitan confederation.
I think the phobia of using the name "France" is largely absurd... Honestly, the fact that the Confederates were so non-nationalistic doesn't mean they actually have to deny the name of the region of Europe in which they live, especially since they are no longer having to compensate for large numbers of German Burgundians. Especially seeing as the Confederation was formerly the Franco-Burgundian Confederation anyway, and, with the Burgundy part largely removed, there is surely an overriding force of intuition and logic aiming at calling it the "Confederation of France". Calling it anything else reeks of casuistry.
Alternatively, the second most likely possibility is just reverting to the old name - after all, why not, really - seeing as the Confederation still does contain an element called Burgundy which has technically never been considered part of France, as such, in as far as such a concept exists legally through the existence of the Franco-Burgundian Confederation? Or then again you could just eschew the regional name - given that eschewing this sort of regional identity was always part of the Confederation's ideology - and just adhere to my old policy of sticking wherever possible to the solitary name of the Confederation.
Anyhow, there you have three possibilities far more obvious and sensible than any others.
Francia also has the problem that it isn't a French word at all - it's a Latin one which a look at the French Wikipedia would suggest they might not even use, as such, in talking about that period's history, in France. In fact, I might hazard a suggestion that some French people might find it awkward as a concept - or even just to pronounce - at least at first. It's surely absolutely the last thing, in any case, that French politicians are likely to agree on as a satisfactory means of not calling the Confederation "France", to just translate the name "France" into Latin and then add "West" on the front because "France" happened to be bigger when French people spoke Latin. That's silly in the extreme as trains of thought go.
Also, J.K, many congratulations on reuniting it!
Alternatively, the second most likely possibility is just reverting to the old name - after all, why not, really - seeing as the Confederation still does contain an element called Burgundy which has technically never been considered part of France, as such, in as far as such a concept exists legally through the existence of the Franco-Burgundian Confederation? Or then again you could just eschew the regional name - given that eschewing this sort of regional identity was always part of the Confederation's ideology - and just adhere to my old policy of sticking wherever possible to the solitary name of the Confederation.
Anyhow, there you have three possibilities far more obvious and sensible than any others.
Francia also has the problem that it isn't a French word at all - it's a Latin one which a look at the French Wikipedia would suggest they might not even use, as such, in talking about that period's history, in France. In fact, I might hazard a suggestion that some French people might find it awkward as a concept - or even just to pronounce - at least at first. It's surely absolutely the last thing, in any case, that French politicians are likely to agree on as a satisfactory means of not calling the Confederation "France", to just translate the name "France" into Latin and then add "West" on the front because "France" happened to be bigger when French people spoke Latin. That's silly in the extreme as trains of thought go.
Also, J.K, many congratulations on reuniting it!
Well I suggested West Francia and a couple others, because I was looking for a non-ethnic name. This is predominantly because some liberals view the new Confederation in the framework of eventually included a number of other interested states such as Poitou, Normandy, Brittany, Flanders, Switzerland, and Catalonia. While this made be over-optimistic of them, the idea is to have a name that would not alienate those who may not truly consider themselves "French." Ultimately though, I've not been 100% happy with the name, so if J.K. Stockholme is convinced to change the name, I'd be happy to do so retroactively, assuming he changes it before the next update.
But Francia is French too. But, yes, to an extent the whole point of the exercise is that the Confederation is basically non-territorial, a bit like the Holy Roman Empire. Ideally, it shouldn't have a region's name attached to it at all.
Terrance888
Discord Reigns
If they truly want to connect to their Roman history, go with Gaul. Naming themselves after a Germanic Tribe merely gives those Drexlerian West Francians a casus belli for a great nationalist war of reunificaiton!
Grandkhan
Telvanni Master Wizard
Confederated Republics on the European Continent.
Non-exclusive, not pressing claims on anybody (its just on Europe, not of it so its okay please don't invade us Germany), still evocative of of the Franco-Burgundian Confederation and not Franco-Burgundian enough to get invaded by the Germans again.
Its perfect.
Non-exclusive, not pressing claims on anybody (its just on Europe, not of it so its okay please don't invade us Germany), still evocative of of the Franco-Burgundian Confederation and not Franco-Burgundian enough to get invaded by the Germans again.
Its perfect.
