Caveman 2 Cosmos

[JosEPh_II]

I was asking if anyone else had seen this problem, so there is no need to be nasty. How do I shut off the criminal options?

I had none of the Combat Mod options turned on.

I even said "Please", I was not being nasty. Just to get players to give details is like pulling teeth though.

And I personally have not seen what you posted. Criminals are not an Option to turn off. They are part of T-brd's Law Enforcement and Crime that he added right after I balanced the Individual Crimes last year. T-brd has a whole thread on this in the Strategy Thread. It is recommended reading.

JosEPh

 

[jshetley]

In my last game before ver37 came out I finally got in trouble when capturing a city during a war that had +500 in crime and rising fast. At least 4 criminals spawned there quickly after I got that city.and it got the red face and started slowly losing its population. Well it took a while, but before I left that game for Ver37 that city was at -200 in crime and still going down. So it can be corrected. Crime is even easier to deal with in cities that you create yourself. Just build the anticrime buildings or place LE units in them.

 

[Taxman66]

Haven't run gotten to the point in v37, but in v36+crime patch there were several times I took smallish cities where it was just less a hassle to disband the city, kill the free roaming criminals then refound the city with a settler.

 

[IdioticUlt1mara]

The only thing I have a problem with in my recent LP/livestream is the "automation hunt" stuff. I set the Min Req to 60% they die to a 20% attack??? I set it to 75% they die to a 50% attack. I set it to 80% and I never see them attack anything. All of these are when they attack not when they defend? But I get past this problem by controlling them myself, until I get fed up of the micro haha

 

[Thunderbrd]

Haven't run gotten to the point in v37, but in v36+crime patch there were several times I took smallish cities where it was just less a hassle to disband the city, kill the free roaming criminals then refound the city with a settler.

There have been some major improvements to this stuff in late v37's cycle. For example, criminals are less likely to spawn with each other criminal that already exists in the city, to the extent there is a hard limit of 10 total barb criminals in a city, less if there are some of yours perhaps, or those of other nations. When cities are destroyed they'll run for the nearest enemy city so they won't just sit there to be cleaned up anymore.

The only thing I have a problem with in my recent LP/livestream is the "automation hunt" stuff. I set the Min Req to 60% they die to a 20% attack??? I set it to 75% they die to a 50% attack. I set it to 80% and I never see them attack anything. All of these are when they attack not when they defend? But I get past this problem by controlling them myself, until I get fed up of the micro haha

I've been noticing that the AI is apparently doing a poor job of hunting for some reason. Maybe this has something to do with it. I think it has to do with some of the tweaks to the odds check that may need recalibration since Koshling worked on it last. Odds levels to attack in the AI coding was changed a while back so that if the AI perceives more value in winning the battle, it will take greater risk and if it doesn't it will take less risk than the basic risk tolerance the odds to attack represents. This adjustment had a profound effect on automated hunting behavior, which can tell us a thing or two about how well the AI is judging things too. Tough stuff to disseminate in the code though.

 

[rwglaub]

I fixed one problem with by clicking on scale according to map size. I have one law enforcement unit in each city, along with dogs. But I'm not able to go out and hunt criminals. As a matter of fact, I don't even see them. I am not using any of the Combat Mods but maybe I should be.

 

[E.M. Lurker]

Right of Passage, not Rite. A rite of passage would be some kind of coming of age ceremony.

 

[Thunderbrd]

Right of Passage, not Rite. A rite of passage would be some kind of coming of age ceremony.

Or more related to the term 'writ', a legal agreement. I've often questioned the spelling of the term as it was established but I've not fully researched into it. Something tells me that the correct spelling actually is Rite. I'm well aware that the term 'rite' is used for a 'rit'ual. Then again the term ritual could be perceived by some as the act of establishing a spiritual contract. There may well be a bleed-over in the language evolution of the term.

 

[E.M. Lurker]

...I think I see the problem now. Rite of passage, right of transit.

 

[lucidstorm]

sounds interesting, got problems at download, it downloaded 3 times a file of 0kb then finally 696mb at 4th try

I hope this included K-mod AI since it was the most challenging for me (better than better bts ai and community patch level of challenge)

 

[JosEPh_II]

sounds interesting, got problems at download, it downloaded 3 times a file of 0kb then finally 696mb at 4th try

I hope this included K-mod AI since it was the most challenging for me (better than better bts ai and community patch level of challenge)

K-mods author collaborated with us for a time back when k-mod was 1.4 iirc. We have some of it in C2C. But we had/have our own C++ modders back then/now too.

JosEPh

 

[rwglaub]

Now then, I'm asking again. How do I keep cities from starving and losing population. Is it criminals? If so, how do I get rid of them., I have scale city limits turned on. Anybody else run into this? I don't know what to do.

 

[JosEPh_II]

Now then, I'm asking again. How do I keep cities from starving and losing population. Is it criminals? If so, how do I get rid of them., I have scale city limits turned on. Anybody else run into this? I don't know what to do.

Please, pretty please infact, can you give some details (ie, for example, Game set up Options used, Leader selected, Difficulty level, etc.) to your game set up? Please? Perhaps a screen shot or 2? That always seems to give help. Maybe even post your save game? Please?

JosEPh

 

[Thunderbrd]

Now then, I'm asking again. How do I keep cities from starving and losing population. Is it criminals? If so, how do I get rid of them., I have scale city limits turned on. Anybody else run into this? I don't know what to do.

All of the answers you would seek, especially considering how this is such a generic question with very few details given to us to help with any kind of diagnosis or strategy discussion, would be found here: v37 Player's Guide I've just completed the guide with the exception of a breakdown of the BUG options so all topics should be covered. If you have familiarity with Vanilla Beyond the Sword, this should literally cover EVERYTHING else that's new here, particularly what's new in v37 if you have earlier C2C experience (3rd post covers these details.)

 

[Thunderbrd]

Happy New Year y'all!

 

[lucidstorm]

hi could it be possible to make the ,,faster turn'' speed a modular thing in order to use it with any mod and as a replacement of the vanilla mechanics?

I mean if you found the algorytm to speed things up it would be great to combine it with vanilla (I am a purist and I veteran so I prefer vanilla units and stuff, less confusing for me and your mod is great but a little overwhelming for my little brain. I mean I know what to do to win on most difficulties but here I have like 15 buildings from start. That's normal for the mod in se but I'd rather stick to what I am good at and polish it rather than learn from scratch. I will be playing your mod, just adapting very slowly to it and playing vanilla for the most part.)


the turn speed issues is the biggest one for civ, I have buyed skylake and OCed it to 4,73 but it's still slow. The game itself is only able to use 10% of the processor, and about 500mb of vram. So please if you can implement this do so, you'd safe me and alot of people huge hassle with AI turn speed. I suspect it was done poorly by game designers as it is in most cases (see bethesda's infamous poor quality for reference) that hardware cannot fix but you modders.

Thx and appreciate what you'v done, count me in as a big fan

 

[JosEPh_II]

Civ IV BtS engine is a 32 bit single core entity. That right there is a hurdle that can't be helped. Some of the Team's past and current C++ modders have multi threade some of the process Before it hits the Game DLL. But once the data hits the engine after the DLL it's all single core 32 bit.

We've gotten used to mid game turns taking a minute or so to process. The sheer amount of xml data and the processing loops the python and C++ coding has to do is staggering. That is our albatross and something we will probably never be able to overcome, just mitigate some.

JosEPh

 

[MattiK]

Today was my first time to wage war in C2C. Oh man, AI brought several stacks against my border city where largest was over 30 units! I was totally like "OH **** OH **** OH ****!" My city and I prevailed. Know why? AI didn't bring in any siege units! Archers used ranged attacks and many units charging the city had city raider promotion, but that's it. City got attacked by around 60 units or so in 2 turns, and there wasn't even single log ram. Is that intentional AI behaviour or what?

 

[JosEPh_II]

Today was my first time to wage war in C2C. Oh man, AI brought several stacks against my border city where largest was over 30 units! I was totally like "OH **** OH **** OH ****!" My city and I prevailed. Know why? AI didn't bring in any siege units! Archers used ranged attacks and many units charging the city had city raider promotion, but that's it. City got attacked by around 60 units or so in 2 turns, and there wasn't even single log ram. Is that intentional AI behaviour or what?

It depends. Is this AI at war with anyone else? How much stronger were the units with City raider vs a log ram? If the Units were stronger, then the AI will build them as log rams are only good for 1 thing. How big was your city? How many defenders? What terrain is it sitting on? So many factors to consider than just say "is it intentional or what" I'm sorry to tell you. How far did these SoD have to travel to get to you? Rams travel slow.

Did you suffer any casualties? If you went unscathed (suffered no losses) then yes there maybe a problem. With building Siege and allocating to the SoD or with the line of promotions that AI prefers. Not a cut and dried situation.

What Era too? So many variables.

JosEPh

 

[MattiK]

3464 BC, Ancient Era. I can build battering ram, so I assume AI could very least make log ram. Units were archers and full array of obsidian melee units all around (me and Danes both). In addition I had in the city elephant rider and trained dog. City had about 10 units in all at start of the war (trained dog, elephant rider, 2 archers (I think) obsidian swordsman, obsidian spearman, ~3 obsidian axemen, and 1 stone axeman). I moved all my horsemen there on the double, city itself started to spam archers, and nearest city made them too. City is on flat terrain and has some defensive buildings (at least earth wall). 65% defense. Danes attacked, in addition of archers and obsidian melee units, with bear rider and maybe something else. Lone scout made mess of improvements. Good move that, but without escort was easy pickings for a horseman. About 60 units attacked the city and I lost none. I didn't make a save of the war time, but if I can recreate that from earlier save, I can send the file to you for more detailed analysis if you want it. I have made a post with screenshots over here.