Changes to RAs?

[chazzycat]

http://translate.google.de/translat...l.de/interview/mehr-tiefgang-durch-religionen

"We have packed the same number of loopholes such as the research agreement, which allowed the players trickery. You must now be good friends with civilization, with which you want to do research together. Thus, these research agreements back into something special, something of value - and to a found food for the spy a third party"

This sounds to me like a huge change in the RA system. Assuming DOF is required to sign an RA, that will really cut down the number of potential RAs, and make diplomacy very interesting...

 

[NotSure]

http://translate.google.de/translat...l.de/interview/mehr-tiefgang-durch-religionen

"...and to a found food for the spy a third party"

Come again now? No, seriously, that sounds good to me - the part I could understand, that is. I very much look forward to the day I don't have 2 or 3 RA canceled because of the stupid back-stab DoW. I am, however, wondering if that change wouldn't hurt the AI more than it hurts me. I think I get more mileage out of focusing my specialists and saving my scientists than I do out of RAs. If the AI can't spam RAs, the GS game gets even stronger, no?

 

[chazzycat]

Haha, yeah the translation is funny. I take that bit to mean that RAs allow a 3rd party to gain some kind of science benefit via espionage.

There would be a lot less cancelled RAs, thats for sure. But there will also be a lower number overall. IMO a good human player gains far more than the AI from RAs, since they tend to built PT/open rationalism and actually understand the mechanism well enough to manipulate it.

It could make OCC, tall culture games, that type of thing a lot more difficult.

 

[DaveMcW]

If the AI can't spam RAs, the GS game gets even stronger, no?

Actually, RAs make great scientists stronger. It's the difference between beating riflemen with artillery, and beating infantry with stealth bombers.

 

[The_J]

Haha, yeah the translation is funny. I take that bit to mean that RAs allow a 3rd party to gain some kind of science benefit via espionage.

I'd rather interpret it in that way, that if you know that A & B have a RA, that you then should maybe use your spy to disrupt their relations.

 

[chazzycat]

hmmm, yeah that could definitely be it. I kind of like the idea of stealing the research from the RA though.

 

[NotSure]

Actually, RAs make great scientists stronger. It's the difference between beating riflemen with artillery, and beating infantry with stealth bombers.

You and chazzycat are right, of course. I don't know why I even considered it that way. I suppose this will make the way you develop your religion pretty important if you're looking to peacefully tech ahead.

 

[Camikaze]

The science system as a whole probably needs a bit of a look at it, both with RAs and GSs. Hopefully it's going to get some love. One of the important things up there beside diplomacy.

 

[Ford]

- and to a found food for the spy a third party

...will be easy prey for a third party spy.

 

[apocalypse105]

The science system as a whole probably needs a bit of a look at it, both with RAs and GSs. Hopefully it's going to get some love. One of the important things up there beside diplomacy.

so the end game isn't just blazing through technologies to get to stealth bombers or modern armor

 

[MadDjinn]

so the end game isn't just blazing through technologies to get to stealth bombers or modern armor

what do you mean 'end game'? In vanilla that starts before turn 100! (blazing through the tech tree)