[RD] Charlie Kirk assassinated

"a legitimate reason"
Ah, so that's where we are.
A sickening stance, don't you think?

He was talking about Mr. Burns in the Simpsons episode.

That being said, Charlie Kirk blamed plane crashes on "DEI", said black women have "inferior brain power", called empathy a "made-up, new age term that does a lot of damage", and, most ironically and amusingly, declared gun deaths to be a reasonable price we pay to have the 2nd Amendment. If you're trying to shame me into some kind of expression of condolence, it isn't going to work. He is being spit-roasted in hell as we speak.
 
"a legitimate reason"
Ah, so that's where we are.
A sickening stance, don't you think?

Hmmm... do you think anyone, ever, anywhere has a legitimate reason to be shot? Osama bin Laden? Ben Netanyahu? Vladimir Putin? Donald Trump? War criminals? People who raise money for and encourage others to do things that will cause people to die? Do you think Jews in 1936 Germany had any right to murder leading Nazis? How about in 1938?

This man wasn't just "expressing his opinion" and I could not give a rat's ass that he was a husband or father (surely you don't think producing offspring makes someone less evil?), he was actively pushing to have laws enacted that would raise the pain, suffering, and suicide rates of transgender people, among many other hideous takes including denying man-made global warming, actively pushing a lie that could literally lead to the end of the human race. Do I think he deserved to be murdered? Hmmm... Answer unclear, ask me tomorrow. Will I mourn the untimely passing of someone that was explicitly advocating for laws that woud/will lead to my death? LOL um nope.
 
Here we go again :rolleyes:. And we still have to deal with Collective Shout. :mad:

It’s like the Trump admin is trying to piss off gamers.

Psst. The Trump administration couldn't give even one flying... damn about gamers. They don't show up on the radar at all. It's like thinking the Nazis were concerned about chess enthusiasts in Germany. And if you think anyone else is concerned about gamers when ICE is going around disappearing immigrants, trans folk are being banned, and US democracy is being eroded and subverted before our eyes... you should probably recalibrate your priorities.
 
He was talking about Mr. Burns in the Simpsons episode.

That being said, Charlie Kirk blamed plane crashes on "DEI", said black women have "inferior brain power", called empathy a "made-up, new age term that does a lot of damage", and, most ironically and amusingly, declared gun deaths to be a reasonable price we pay to have the 2nd Amendment. If you're trying to shame me into some kind of expression of condolence, it isn't going to work. He is being spit-roasted in hell as we speak.
Oh ok - just Mr Burns, it had nothing to do with Charlie Kirk. I understand. Nice way of weaseling yourself out of that.
Oh wait, it goes on, folks!
I'm not shaming you - you're doing it yourself. I asked if you agreed with the sickening stance of 'legitimate reason'.
You show the kind of person you are. Everyone can draw their conclusion.
 
Hmmm... do you think anyone, ever, anywhere has a legitimate reason to be shot? Osama bin Laden? Ben Netanyahu? Vladimir Putin? Donald Trump? War criminals?
No - only in war. Or after a trial.
What do you think?

People who raise money for and encourage others to do things that will cause people to die? Do you think Jews in 1936 Germany had any right to murder leading Nazis? How about in 1938?

This man wasn't just "expressing his opinion" and I could not give a rat's ass that he was a husband or father (surely you don't think producing offspring makes someone less evil?), he was actively pushing to have laws enacted that would raise the pain, suffering, and suicide rates of transgender people, among many other hideous takes including denying man-made global warming, actively pushing a lie that could literally lead to the end of the human race. Do I think he deserved to be murdered? Hmmm... Answer unclear, ask me tomorrow. Will I mourn the untimely passing of someone that was explicitly advocating for laws that woud/will lead to my death? LOL um nope.
Yes, you don't agree with what he said.
I'm not asking you to mourn - I just find it tough that you have to think a day to figure out if someone deserves to die because of their stances on things.

What would happen if that stance (you die because of your opinion) gets in power. Tyranny, authoritarianism, totalitarianism. The one thing you fight against when criticizing Trump.
 
also sidenote on kirk "just expressing his opinion"; first off, he was actively participating in a funded environment of shills where it's often uncertain whether they mean what they say or not. there's a lot of money in right wing grifting like this. if you consume that media sphere, chances are the person you listen to doesn't actually mean what they say, except they have a vague sense of tribe. secondly, on him being a poor schmuck not being allowed to share his opinion or whatever, this is what wiki notes on his Turning Point USA:
Kirk expanded the organization's influence through initiatives like the Professor Watchlist and School Board Watchlist, which sought to fire or silence professors for sharing opinions opposed by Turning Point.
mix that in with his position (again, authentically held or not) that random deaths by gun was completely acceptable in society. he wanted it possible to arbitrarily silence people, and found it acceptable if people got shot. he wanted people silenced and didn't care about people dying. this is literally a figment of the status quo he wanted.

so, should he have been shot? that's not my point. the point is that the appeal of protecting him from political silencing and/or gun violence runs completely contrary to his own positions (if the positions' victims are to be applied just reasonably equally; i will note, of course, that he actually wasn't hypocritical about it, because he essentially believed his affiliates should be immune from censorship and arbitrary violence. protections for me, consequences for thee). it rings thoroughly hollow. there's a reason most (non-tribe) outrage over this responds to it as general gun violence over structurally solving conflicts, or appeals to sympathize with his family. people understand what he stood for.

say that you don't want people randomly shot, sure. but don't defend his situation as though he's a victim of getting shot and silenced. that's what he pushed for. the whole "but totalitarianism" rings incredibly hollow because that's what he wanted.

and just a general appeal, for other discourses irt this event: you cannot paradox of tolerance this. sorry.
 
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that's not my point. the point is that the appeal of protecting him from political silencing and/or gun violence runs completely contrary to his own positions

This right here is the heart of the issue. What happened to Kirk is what he claimed he wanted. A society with guns and a few deaths are acceptable, according to him. Hard to mourn a guy like that.
 
Oh ok - just Mr Burns, it had nothing to do with Charlie Kirk. I understand. Nice way of weaseling yourself out of that.
Oh wait, it goes on, folks!
I'm not shaming you - you're doing it yourself. I asked if you agreed with the sickening stance of 'legitimate reason'.
You show the kind of person you are. Everyone can draw their conclusion.

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He was talking about Mr. Burns in the Simpsons episode.

That being said, Charlie Kirk blamed plane crashes on "DEI", said black women have "inferior brain power", called empathy a "made-up, new age term that does a lot of damage", and, most ironically and amusingly, declared gun deaths to be a reasonable price we pay to have the 2nd Amendment. If you're trying to shame me into some kind of expression of condolence, it isn't going to work. He is being spit-roasted in hell as we speak.
He also said children should be made to watch public executions so at least he got his wish granted on that front

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How come no one outside the US has ever heard of Charlie Kirk, now suddenly he's on all front pages ?

Very unlikely this was political, probably a scorned lover.
 
Leftists (even on this very forum) openly celebrating someone was murdered and then wonder why leftists generally have bad reputations and keep losing elections.
 
It's not uncommon - the US has veritable tradition of political murder, but this is not that imho. Charlie Kirk apparently held no political office, he's an "influencer" that's not worth killing for is it ?

Probably pissed off someone online, or in his private life.
 
How come no one outside the US has ever heard of Charlie Kirk, now suddenly he's on all front pages ?

Very unlikely this was political, probably a scorned lover.
He was an outspoken figure, who was very public about his opinions. Both politically and socially. So you could say he was not in politics, but his personality was political.
Of course that will ruffle feathers (as you can see on this forum).
So yeah, some will not mourn his death one bit, which I understand.
However - no matter left or right, friend or foe, no one deserves to die for having an opinion. If you think they do, you are a fascist, a totalitarian, and a tyrant.
 
So, in the country where hundreds or thousands of children are shot dead every year and absolutely nothing happens, this disgusting guy gets shot dead and all this fuss erupts. Why? Are scumbags particularly valuable or something?
 
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