[RD] Charlie Kirk assassinated

[Snowygerry]

I can rightfully criticize Israel for doing this, but not some of the people in this thread who think that kind of action is ok as long as the person murdered is someone they don't like.

Well that's to be expected isn't it - just listen to the reaction of your president, immediately pulling the tribal card and blaming it on the "radical left" - such behaviour will obviously be mirrored in the actions of private individuals.

The sane political reaction to something like this is exemplified by people like Obama and Harris, stressing unity, and disapproval, instead of polarisation. You reap what you sow.

Barack Obama condemns 'despicable violence' in the shooting of Charlie Kirk

Former President Barack Obama denounces the political violence that killed conservative commentator Charlie Kirk on Wednesday, Sept. 10.

www.usatoday.com

Trump blames 'radical left political violence' for killing of Charlie Kirk – video

US president Donald Trump blamed 'radical left political violence' for the killing of Charlie Kirk before the person who killed the conservative activist Charlie Kirk had been identified

www.theguardian.com

 

[Arwon]

Well that's to be expected isn't it - just listen to the reaction of your president, immediately pulling the tribal card and blaming it on the "radical left" - such behaviour will obviously be mirrored in the actions of private individuals.

The sane reaction to something like this is exemplified by people like Obama and Harris, stressing unity.

Barack Obama condemns 'despicable violence' in the shooting of Charlie Kirk

Former President Barack Obama denounces the political violence that killed conservative commentator Charlie Kirk on Wednesday, Sept. 10.

www.usatoday.com

Trump blames 'radical left political violence' for killing of Charlie Kirk – video

US president Donald Trump blamed 'radical left political violence' for the killing of Charlie Kirk before the person who killed the conservative activist Charlie Kirk had been identified

www.theguardian.com

Well of course Obama and Harris are calling for calm and unity, they should be worried Trump is gonna have them blackbagged under the enabling act

 

[caketastydelish]

That sounds like a veiled threat, mods?

I meant what will come from other people, not from something I would do or tell others to do.

The pearl clutching about a guy who encouraged people to pay the bail of the guy who tried to kill Pelosi is astonishing yet unsurprising. MAGAworld has cheered political violence against their enemies from the beginning, all the way up through 1/6 and beyond, but demand the same empathy they refuse to show others.

I voted for Biden in 2020 and voted for Kamala Harris in 2024 and don't regret either vote.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

TBH, yeah. Not saying they’ve never been mad but never seen them THIS mad.

Day of Rage: How Trump Supporters Took the U.S. Capitol​

 

[caketastydelish]

You pretty much sum up most right wingers, as right now, you seem to be the only one who's actually triggered given your responses to people happy that Kirk is dead. Your the one who apparently needs a safe space where he can hide from people who disagree with you. You're the snowflake who's offended by everything.

Kirk's face ain't gonna trigger leftists. It's just gonna make them laugh.

If I were a Trump voter that would actually be true, but it isn't.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

TBH, yeah. Not saying they’ve never been mad but never seen them THIS mad.

They're not mad.

Katie Miller, the wife of White House deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller, posted on X, “It’s a real treat to see all these Liberals condemn political violence now. You called us Hitler. You called us Nazis. You called us Racists. You have blood on your hands.”

“The Left is the party of murder,” Elon Musk, the billionaire tech mogul who has frequently espoused right-wing views, posted on his social media platform X.

Shaun Maguire, who said: “The Left lectured us for the last decade about the dangers of violence from the Right … The danger was actually on the Left.”

“The Left are terrorists,” posted far-right political activist and conspiracy theorist Laura Loomer. she warned. “We must shut these lunatic leftists down. Once and for all. The Left is a national security threat,” she said in another post.

British conservative broadcast personality Piers Morgan also criticized what he claimed to be “shameful” coverage of Kirk’s death, posting that it “confirms everything I’ve always suspected about the woke left — they’re repulsive.”

Sean Davis, the CEO and co-founder of right-wing media outlet the Federalist, focused blame on the Democratic Party, which he called “a domestic terrorist organization whose most fanatics will not hesitate to murder their political opponents.”

“The Democrat Party must be classified as a domestic terror organization and their members & leaders treated accordingly,” posted conservative political strategist Joey Mannarino. “Enough is enough.”

“The left and their policies are leading America into a civil war. And they want it. Just like the democrat party wanted our 1st civil war. The gloves are off,” Wisconsin Republican Rep. Derrick Van Orden

Chaya Raichik, who runs the pro-Trump, anti-left account “Libs of TikTok,” posted, “THIS IS WAR.”

“I’m ready for civil war,” Brian Eastwood, another conservative influencer, posted. “You want a fight and you’re going to get it.”

Fox News host Jesse Watters said, “Whether we want to accept it or not, they are at war with us. And what are we going to do about it? How much political violence are we going to tolerate?”

Nah, never THIS mad.

 

[Theov]

Well of course Obama and Harris are calling for calm and unity, they should be worried Trump is gonna have them blackbagged under the enabling act

Or maybe they don't like it when words are answered with bullets - like any sane person would.

 

[Theov]

Me changing my sig and avatar in a reponse to leftists celebrating his murder is barely the tip of the iceberg, compared to what is going to happen.

I expect things to get far, far worse.
The West is on the brink of disintegration.

 

[Snowygerry]

The Far West that is

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Just checked Trump's statement on the killing of Melissa Hortman and the shooting of John Hoffman.

Never mentions radical right. Odd that. Because Vance Boelter followed far-right websites that trafficked in conspiracy theories about stolen elections and evil Democrats.
Stolen elections ... where have I heard that claim before. Who was it that created that claim.

No one on the right I'm sure.

 

[caketastydelish]

Just checked Trump's statement on the killing of Melissa Hortman and the shooting of John Hoffman.

Never mentions radical right. Odd that. Because Vance Boelter followed far-right websites that trafficked in conspiracy theories about stolen elections and evil Democrats.
Stolen elections ... where have I heard that claim before. Who was it that created that claim.

No one on the right I'm sure.

I haven't seen anyone on this forum saying they are happy that Melissa Hortman or John Hoffman were killed. And I certainly would never say that. People here are celebrating the murder of this guy, that is the difference.

 

[JPetroski]

What makes you think we haven't heard his bile countless times

I don’t really consider anyone here “regular public,” tbh. Everyone seems pretty well-read at least in the corners of their interests.

 

[Snowygerry]

Certainly Trump is the most "tribal" US president in my lifetime, he does not even pretend to be president for all Americans, he is president for his tribe only. Obviously that will create frustration with the other "tribe".

In the US frustrations are often resolved with bullets. The whole thing reminds me of the Hutu's and Tutsi's - not a good omen.

Constructed Identity or Elite Manipulation? Ethnicity in Rwanda

By Millaray Freire-Archer Published 2018-12-12 One of the most pervasive popular explanations for the devastating violence of the 1994 Rwandan genocide has been that of ‘ancient tribal animosities’, but this explanation lacks depth of under-standing of the region. To demonstrate why a...

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Belgian colonial administrators created a system to ethnically label the population: people with nine cattle or fewer were Hutu, and people with ten or more were Tutsi. Prunier highlights the institution of ubuhake, a contract whereby a Tutsi would give a Hutu a cow, and share the reproductive fruits of the cow such that the Hutu lineage could become Tutsi. At the very least, intermarriage was a notable con-tributor to the fluidity of the identities prior to colonization – Jefremovas writes that wealthy Hutu were known to marry Tutsi women, such that their children also became Tutsi. From this perspec-tive, Hutu and Tutsi as ethnic identities were essentially created during the colonial period

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I haven't seen anyone on this forum saying they are happy that Melissa Hortman or John Hoffman were killed. And I certainly would never say that. People here are celebrating the murder of this guy, that is the difference.

Why do you assume I was refering to you or a statement you made?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Why do you assume I was refering to you or a statement you made?

Ok, lets refer and give my opinion.

It's wrong to celebrate the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
It's childish to change your sig and avatar in a reponse to "leftists" celebrating his murder.

A good reason to change your sig and avatar is to object to violence as opposed to rhetoric, instead of making it partisan.

Again, just my opinion, you're not me, you're welcome to yours and the actions you take as a result of that.

 

[PhroX]

I haven't seen anyone on this forum saying they are happy that Melissa Hortman or John Hoffman were killed. And I certainly would never say that. People here are celebrating the murder of this guy, that is the difference.

I'm sure if you went into more right-wing spaces on the internet you would find people celebrating their murder. And republicans were certainly joking about it at the time. Indeed I remember there was quite a fuss about various tweets.

And while it was only attempted murder, rather than a successful one, Charlie Kirk - you know the guy you are using to represent yourself - was pretty damn happy when the Pelosis were attacked, going as far as to encourage people to raise funds for the attacker.

Hell, look at the sinking of that Venezuelan boat a few days back. Those people were killed for explicitly political reasons, and the american right are loving it.

Look, I'm not saying you can't be annoyed at people being happy that Kirk is dead, but your behaviour in this thread towards leftists comes across as really disproportionate when considering how right wingers frequently act.

edit: I just thought of another related point so I've added it here: look at how right wingers (not specifically here on CFC, just in general) are reacting to Kirk's killing. I've seen a fair few calls for violence, up to and including desires for outright war (and in particular they seem to be keen on violence against those who are are happy Kirk is dead. You know....people who are sharing opinions they disagree with....).

Whereas, even among leftists who think this is good, few (I won't say none because I know the internet) are calling for more killing.

 

[Evie]

I have nothing but bad to say about his life, and all the work he did to bring America closer to a War Between The People (rather than War Between the States).

But also nothing but bad to say about his murder, and all the work it's doing toward that very same end (regardless of who actually did it or why).

The days of two wrongs not equating to a right have come to a middle.

 

[Ordnael]

Those reactions @Ziggy Stardust shared (thank you for that) look very ominous
I look back at Floyd's murder and at Kyle shooting in self defence against crazed activists with a rapsheet triggered by Floyd and I wonder if Charlie's murder is the burning fuse that will ignite the civil war that's been brewing since the events I mentioned before.
Let's all hope the shooter is not a left affiliated activist.

The Far West that is

Not with that grin but yes, fortunately tensions over here, in the EU in general, are very far from the level of escalation we see between your liberal right (what you call democrats) and your conservative right.

 

[Moriarte]

He also said children should be made to watch public executions so at least he got his wish granted on that front

Lets not pretend that assassination we saw on public TV was a public execution.

I've watched few of Kirk's debates recently. He had an extraordinary capability to debate.

That whole Christian nationalist game was not my intellectual playground, but I am ready to acknowledge that he was a Force, primarily to conservative youth.

These young people received a dose of radicalisation yesterday. Life-long for some.

 

[BenitoChavez]

People, both here and in other places on the internet, have been jumping to the conclusion that this was a political killing and the person who killed him was a Democrat. Is there any evidence of that? Or are people just going with the first thing that pops in their head and stating it like it's a fact?