[RD] Charlie Kirk assassinated

Killing of Trump ally lays bare America's bloody and broken politics​

Moments before the crack of a gunshot changed everything, thousands of students had gathered under clear blue skies at an idyllic Utah college to hear from a man considered a rock star in conservative campus politics.

As the 31-year-old Charlie Kirk sat under a tent, debating political opponents taking their turn at a microphone, many gathered on the lawns cheered – and some protested. Seconds later, they were all running in terror.

The activist was struck in the neck by a bullet, mortally wounded. The episode playing out as cameras rolled, some showing the murder in bloody detail.

The images will be hard to forget - particularly for the many young conservatives for whom Kirk held celebrity status. The leader of their movement, regardless of the ultimate motive behind his killing, will now be viewed as a martyr for the cause.

Kirk, in the past, had warned of what he said was the threat of violence from his critics – of which he had many, given his provocative style of conservativism. Nonetheless he was willing to travel to college campuses, where the politics frequently tilt to the left, and debate all comers.

He was an advocate of gun rights and conservative values, an outspoken critic of transgender rights, and a staunch, unapologetic Donald Trump supporter. His Turning Point US organisation played a key role in the voter turnout drive that saw the president return to the White House this year.

The tent where he was shot had "prove me wrong" emblazoned on it. He was a hero to young conservative students in particular, meeting them where they were and offering them a movement of their own.

Kirk's killing is both another episode of shocking gun violence in America – and the latest in an ever-lengthening line of recent political violence.

Earlier this year two Democratic state legislators in Minnesota were shot in their homes – with one dying from her wounds. Last year, Donald Trump was twice the target of assassination attempts. His brush with a bullet at an outdoor rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, bears striking similarities to Wednesday's shooting in Utah – both playing out before gathered crowds at outdoor venues.

Two years before that, a hammer-wielding assailant broke in to the home of then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a prominent Democrat. In 2017, a man opened fire on Republican congressmen practising on a northern Virginia baseball field.

It is difficult to divine where American politics goes from here, but the trajectory is bleak.

Violence begets violence. Increasingly divisive rhetoric, fuelled by social media echo chambers and easy access to firearms, leads to raw nerves and a heightened potential for bloodshed.

Conservative activists are reconsidering what security measures are necessary for public appearances, just as many local politicians did after the Minnesota shootings. But the Butler attempt on Trump's life was nearly successful, despite trained local and federal security forces on the scene.

If there is a sense that no-one is safe – that public life itself has become a blood sport – that will have its own corrosive effect on American politics.

Trump, in a video address from the Oval Office posted on his Truth Social website on Wednesday night, called the killing a "dark moment for America".

But he wasted little time in blaming the "radical left" for Kirk's murder. He ticked through some of the recent instances of political violence - those that targeted conservatives - and said his administration would find "each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence".

Those comments are sure to be welcomed by those on the right who in the hours after the shooting called for a crackdown on left-wing groups.

"It is time, within the confines of the law, to infiltrate, disrupt, arrest and incarcerate all of those who are responsible for this chaos," conservative activist Christopher Rufo wrote on X.

Many prominent Republicans and Democrats, including potential 2028 presidential contenders, lined up to condemn political violence and call for a cooling of rhetoric.

But in Congress on Wednesday evening, a moment of silence for Kirk was quickly followed by a shouting match between lawmakers - a further indication that partisan tensions are still high.

Meanwhile, in Utah, witnesses, law enforcement and state and local leaders continue to come to grips with the trauma of the day.

In emotional remarks during a press conference, Governor Spencer Cox – who has frequently spoken out against overheated political rhetoric and political divisiveness – described a nation, soon to celebrate a milestone anniversary of its founding, that is "broken".

"Is this it?" he asked. "Is this what 250 years has wrought upon us?"

"I pray that is not the case," he answered.

The doubt in his voice underscored the simple truth that, on this day, the future of America and whether its violent politics can be fixed seems far from certain.
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People, both here and in other places on the internet, have been jumping to the conclusion that this was a political killing and the person who killed him was a Democrat. Is there any evidence of that? Or are people just going with the first thing that pops in their head and stating it like it's a fact?
Wouldn't surprise me if they used this as an excuse to declare anyone politically left of the current Republican party to be a Domestic Terrorist™
 
What's funny about this whole situation is that every single Democrat with any kind of public platform has said they condemn this appalling violence, etc etc, and yet the right is still talking about some kind of big revenge on the Democrats.
 
People, both here and in other places on the internet, have been jumping to the conclusion that this was a political killing and the person who killed him was a Democrat. Is there any evidence of that? Or are people just going with the first thing that pops in their head and stating it like it's a fact?
No one has any idea. People are shocked and having reactions and generally acting like people who are shocked and having reactions. It seems unlikely to me this is just some joe schmo Democrat.

As much as people don't want to hear it, for all the ways Republicans are always blasted as the bad guys, no cities are currently burning. I do think, however, this bullet was intended to change that.

The left's been flying off the handle and trashing places for awhile now when they don't get their way and the problem with that is if you want true chaos you need to have both sides doing it which is why I personally suspect foreign operator or someone out there who would benefit from the chaos. And, as, many have correctly pointed out, the right seems to be falling right into that. I hope folks pull themselves together after processing this a bit longer.

It's not a good thing and for what it's worth I'm telling my friends to calm down, not that I have any appreciable reach.
 
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The left's been flying off the handle and trashing places for awhile now when they don't get their way and the problem with that is if you want true chaos you need to have both sides doing it which is why I personally suspect foreign operator or someone out there who would benefit from the chaos. And, as, many have correctly pointed out, the right seems to be falling right into that. I hope folks pull themselves together after processing this a bit longer.
That's not very likely - this fellow was hardly known outside the US. Must have been someone very angry with him personally, a foreigner would have picked a different target.
 
That's not very likely - this fellow was hardly known outside the US. Must have been someone very angry with him personally, a foreigner would have picked a different target.
I don't think there's really any benefit to anyone in killing him other than causing a ****show. I don't think this was just some angry democrat. Honestly don't think they or their supporters are behind this. I guess it could turn out to just be some random person, but it just doesn't seem like the kind of shot and escape someone could pull off without training and experience.
 
Well good hunter with a rifle should be enough. Have they found the place from where the shot was fired ? Usually we get diagrams and pictures when someone of note is shot in the US.
 
Well good hunter with a rifle should be enough. Have they found the place from where the shot was fired ? Usually we get diagrams and pictures when someone of note is shot in the US.
There's an article on the BBC which goes over what we know so far which includes a suspected location:


Law enforcement officials say the killer is believed to have fired the fatal shot from the roof of a building located near the courtyard where Kirk was speaking.
 
Well good hunter with a rifle should be enough. Have they found the place from where the shot was fired ? Usually we get diagrams and pictures when someone of note is shot in the US.
I mean there's some aerials and hypothesis but who knows. As with everything like this there's all sorts of chaff and who knows what's accurate or not. There's videos purporting to show someone on a roof and the usual diagrams of how far it is and people have been commenting on it being a difficult shot at that range.
 
Have they found the place from where the shot was fired ? Usually we get diagrams and pictures when someone of note is shot in the US.
There is this image

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As much as people don't want to hear it, for all the ways Republicans are always blasted as the bad guys, no cities are currently burning.

The concept of "cities burning" because a racist podcaster got shot
 
It's more the concept of "a huge group of people are exceptionally outraged but for whatever reason decide not to take it out on their local mom and pop convenience store." Others should try it.

You'd have more of a point if Kirk had been strangled to death over several minutes by a uniformed police officer.
 
They burned because a black criminal died during arrest, so that's not a big stretch...

He was sadistically murdered by a uniformed agent of the state. Pretending this is the same kind of scenario is silly.

Besides, the chuds who love Kirk don't live in cities (they're too scared of them). At most the scenario is, like, the Polk County Walmart burning, not cities.
 
I just saw that footage of the suspect indicates that he appears to be of college age. Chances of the shooter being some sort of Nazi increase significantly the younger he was, imo.
 
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