China backs up Iran

[boogaboo]

May we see a repeat of the Iran-Iraqi war?

Soon, in a cinema near you !

Israeli biased sources (i.e me) says than Iran is paying well to some terror groups.
No, no links, go find your own!

IMHO, China is returning a favor to Iran. Nothing more, nothing less.
Iran is still radical, and China still doesn't care. Still, the favor is returned.

China will soon grow over the US economically, and start calling the shots.
No war needed with China.

Iran? Preemptive strike.
Who? Well, I hold an X leaves flower.... Israel, US, Israel, US, Israel, US, Israel, US, Israel, US, Israel, US, Israel, US, ....

 

[HamaticBabylon]

Shh... quietly mate! You're not supposed to ask this kind of questions! "Why cant other nations"?... Someone may think you're a terrorist...

You’re serious, right!

 

[King Alexander]

Soon, in a cinema near you !

Who's starring?

No, no links, go find your own!

No links? You're killing me, mate!

IMHO, China is returning a favor to Iran. Nothing more, nothing less.
Iran is still radical, and China still doesn't care. Still, the favor is returned.

What's the favor?

China will soon grow over the US economically, and start calling the shots.
No war needed with China.

China will VERY soon grow over the US economically. As for starting calling the shots, who knows?

Iran? Preemptive strike.
Who? Well, I hold an X leaves flower.... Israel, US, Israel, US, Israel, US, Israel, US, Israel, US, Israel, US, Israel, US, ....

What's this, "she loves me" - "she loves me not?"

And what can China do to prevent an Iran war, no matter if Iran does what the IAEA says? Would China start threatening the US like the USSR did during the Cold War? I very much doubt it, at least for the moment.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Yes, the US is in its right to defend itself...but what has Iran done to do harm to the US or Israel?

I'm not a big proponent of premptive action, and sure Iran has a shady government, but it really hasn't done anything to severely threaten the US. Not any more than other countries have done...(NK)

Its supporting terrorists that are shooting our troops, thats what.

 

[Sanaz]

Its supporting terrorists that are shooting our troops, thats what.

Again, please supply a non-biased source for this (ridiculous) statement. Why would Iran support a Sunni uprising?

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

They are letting them across their porious border. They are building nuclear weapons. In the middle east, thats like lighting a match inside a gasoline tank.

 

[boogaboo]

What's the favor?

from the end of the 1st post..

Iran is eager to step up trade with China. It signed a preliminary agreement for the export of gas to China for 25 years. It also has offered China a concession to develop oil and gas fields in the Persian Gulf.

 

[Sanaz]

They are letting them across their porious border.

The Himalayan range is tough to patrol. Ask the US about their progress capturing Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan. Is the US unable to protect the Iraqi borders? Of course they can't, that's just another reason they shouldn't be in the nation building business. By your definition, the US is sponsoring terrorism against itself.

Edit: I was so amused by your first statement, I forgot to answer the second:

They are building nuclear weapons.

No they aren't.

 

[Cuivienen]

Anyway--China isn't run by religious radicals, and the Soviet Union was violently secular. If you were thinking "United States".... If the U.S. was run by religious 's, Bush would have repealed Roe vs. Wade 3.9 years ago.

The Democrats controlled the Senate until 2002 and needed only two defecting Republicans to defeat a strict-majority bill until 2004. Now, Roe vs Wade is truly in danger.

 

[10Seven]

The Himalayan range is tough to patrol. Ask the US about their progress capturing Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan. Is the US unable to protect the Iraqi borders? ... By your definition, the US is sponsoring terrorism against itself.

That's an excellent point - I would also raise the issue of the US/Mexico border...

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

China needs as much oil as it can get. That is why it is playing this game.

 

[stratego]

China needs as much oil as it can get. That is why it is playing this game.

I think China is getting the oil because China wants to play this game. It is in China's interest to prevent OPEC from collapsing to the US. China would probably be able to get other sources of energy if need be, but supporting an OPEC country would help strategically also. Iran is playing this game also, they're letting China build the machines needed to extract the gas. China probably wouldn't get involved miltarily, but they can cry pretty loud for reparation if their oil extractors get destroyed.

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

Stratego, when it comes to oil, you want absolutely everything you can get. Iran has a lot of oil, and it isn't being tapped by western companies to the extent it could be.

Be realistic. There are only so many places to get CHEAP oil, and China is now the second largest importer in the world.

 

[Jawz II]

They are letting them across their porious border. They are building nuclear weapons. In the middle east, thats like lighting a match inside a gasoline tank.

borders are hard to protect, ask anyone from LA about the immigrants

specially the iran-iraq border


israel is also building nukes, so what?

they are also making bio weapons

 

[stratego]

Stratego, when it comes to oil, you want absolutely everything you can get. Iran has a lot of oil, and it isn't being tapped by western companies to the extent it could be.

Be realistic. There are only so many places to get CHEAP oil, and China is now the second largest importer in the world.

That is true, but I'm arguing that China got into this dependence on oil on purpose. Amist trying to cool it's economy, China increased the parts of the economy that requires oil the most. I know I'm not being very clear, but it's hard to argue my point without having to post all the articles and documents I've been reading. To make a long story short, China wouldn't have signed this big of deal if there isn't a legitmate effort by the EU and US to break OPEC.

 

[GerrardCapashen]

The Democrats controlled the Senate until 2002 and needed only two defecting Republicans to defeat a strict-majority bill until 2004. Now, Roe vs Wade is truly in danger.

The Democrats lost control of the Senate in 1994 and only briefly regained it during 2002.

 

[King Alexander]

I was wondering: how strong is China actually in military? Apart from their huge numbers, how they're doing with new technologies like new aircrafts/other smart weapons?

I have a feeling that the U.S is far ahead in technology (example): no one else has yet to make a stealth fighter(unless, China's agencies, somehow got the plans to make one if they wanted to).

Anyway, even with technology that is 10 years behind, China's huge military could easily walk above everyone/everything, so, when China says that it'll back up Iran, and considering the fact that China rarely speaks openly, you do not want to mess with China, unless they're bluffing(but you don't want to risk to find out).

 

[Little Raven]

China isn't bluffing. But they also aren't offering to back up Iran militarily.

They are threatening to veto any action taken against Iran in the UN. That is not a bluff. They absolutely will do that. They will not help Iran if we decide to invade.

 

[silver 2039]

I was wondering: how strong is China actually in military? Apart from their huge numbers, how they're doing with new technologies like new aircrafts/other smart weapons?

I have a feeling that the U.S is far ahead in technology (example): no one else has yet to make a stealth fighter(unless, China's agencies, somehow got the plans to make one if they wanted to).

Anyway, even with technology that is 10 years behind, China's huge military could easily walk above everyone/everything, so, when China says that it'll back up Iran, and considering the fact that China rarely speaks openly, you do not want to mess with China, unless they're bluffing(but you don't want to risk to find out).

China uses Soviet technology like the Su-27, Su-30, Mig-29, Sovermeny Class Crusiers, they have indigenouse technology as well like the Super-7. Any of these planes are more than a match for American planes. The Sovermany gave America nightmares during the Soviet days and now their back under another flag.
Not to mention China new East Wind missile capable of striking continetal US and as far as Britan. Plus it's 8,000 kilometer mobile missile.

China is the most predictable government in the world. It does what it says.

 

[stratego]

I was wondering: how strong is China actually in military? Apart from their huge numbers, how they're doing with new technologies like new aircrafts/other smart weapons?

I have a feeling that the U.S is far ahead in technology (example): no one else has yet to make a stealth fighter(unless, China's agencies, somehow got the plans to make one if they wanted to).

In terms of technology and morale, China's military is weak compared to the US. They got a better assessment of how good the US miltary is when they saw the Iraq war. The US moved to Baghdad three times quicker than China has predicted, and because of it China approved even faster military reforms. A lift in the weapons embargo would help China a lot, but the US is not going to let that happen. It's very unlikely that China will challenge the US militarily if Iran is attacked, but it will do a lot to prevent Iran from being attacked.

Stealth fighters can be detected, and they're not used widely in conventional war.