Civ 3 GOTM 7 *Spoilers* Thread

[JoeM]

Originally posted by Phillip_martin
It is currently 680AD and I was playing a peaceful expansion strategy from the begining which I lost badly. I did beat the Russians to the gems but lost the chokepoint and hence the lands to the south.

I know how you feel, it's 700AD I'm doing marginally better as I got the choke point to the south , *just*, and I've expanded south with my only Great Leader for the FP (1 settler, 1 spearman, 1 GL ooh risky!) it's developed quite well although the English and Egyptians have small cities near the FP city.

My Eastern reach is to the border of Kiev in the desert east of the southern chokepoint you mentioned. My Western reach is through the jungle to the Iron source at the choke point there.

Originally posted by Phillip_martin
Have I mentioned I am still only in the Ancient Age

I'm in the middle of the middle ages, and they have Infantry...Aaaaargh!

 

[Taé Shala]

Lost this game.

The Russians wanted my furs; I didn´t want to give them away for free. They declared war as I expected. I thought that I could hold my cities because I had controll over the mountains.
Big mistake. Persia declared war too.

Waited some turns until my score didn´t increase anymore, abadoned my cities and got conquered.
This way I could keep my score.

Maybe next month ...

 

[Pelman]

I was a peace until about 30 years ago when Germany demanded iron. The have only one island so I refused. They sent over 1 archer to try to take out my capital
I am hoping that they are truly unable to draw anyone else into battle against me. I am sprawled over half the world, but I have no idea what the other half of the world even looks like. No-One will give me a World map for anything .

I have been producing more settlers than almost anything but MWs. I followed Rome around as he eliminated England, and more recently in the conflict between Egypt and Rome (Egypt started it and got thoroughly roasted).
I just noticed that Mapstat is permissible for GOTM so now I will go and see how close I am to a domination victory

I have been tracking the score progress of the game for the past 500 years in a spreadsheet. The rise and fall of the scores has proven interesting. Currently I am gaining 14 points per turn, but I am only ahead of eliminated players. If Rome and Persia would start duking it out I would be thrilled. I did have a MPP with Persia, but I would have lost 90% of everything if I spit on Rome. So I spit on Russia instead. They were eliminated in short order. I did manage to make peace with Russia and get some Techs for Peace and 9g/turn. Persia eliminated them before I had to pay once!

My greatest fear is that one of my furious neighbors will wage war against me, so I chose to pay 2g/turn tribute to Persia and Rome. I hope this keeps them happy ...well...annoyed... with me.
Japan is thrilled with me because I accidentally gave them Gems for nothing.
Maybe someday I will get something more than Pikemen to defend against the tanks that everyone else has.

Something that surprised me:
I have had 4 or 5 cities depose my governors, but Rome and Persia have both rebuffed the rebels so I have retained control.
I am surprised by their unwillingness to accept my wonderful, though culturally deprived, cities. Why would they not accept them? Are they afraid of a domination victory?

 

[Fossil]

Made it to 1675 AD.

For my story, see Fossil's Dig Site

 

[Elfi Wolfe]

From reading everyone else here I would say i'm not doing too bad.

When for peace, but as russia was dieing I attacked them, so I could get my golden age.

I am just entering the modern age.
About 4 in score. but I do'nt have much of a chance if I'm attacked.

Been trading with all the different civs so they are polite to me (except for Japan). only problem is with the City races that went there isn't a solid line of borders, but cities all intermingled together.

So far lost 1 city due to culture, got 2 cities due to culture and captured 2, and set up 5 cities in empty spaces left by the AI wars.
1550AD now and I expect a UN vote here soon, or another 100 turns before somebody launches a ship.

Well I'm not going to win any awards, but looks like my civ will live though a deity level game.

The thing with deity level is I spend all my time try to catchup and stay alive. on the good side I see the AI using carriers and bombers like I would, bomb the roads arround cities to cut them off from resupply and then mass armor attacks to take out the city

and if hopeless, burn everything in sight.

 

[God]

My first diety game. I'm doing ok. Doing far better than I did in GOTM 5, that was a horror.

Monarch is kind of easy for me. Emperor is a tough challenge. Diety is really beyond that. The tech rate is ridiculous compared to emperor. Atleast on emperor there is enough time to build soem horsemen and kill a civ. Diety is soo fast.

To add to the challenge we have a pretty crap map around us. The starting location is ok but w/o a river. Then we got tons of mountains to the south.

Although I'm not good at diety I think I could have done far better score wise if playing on a better map. The map totally ruins the expansionist ability.

So far have 11 cities. The AI is around Astronomy/Gunpowder techs while I'm trying to buy construction and enter Middle Ages. Last in score, duh!. So far no wars for me. I don't the AI has done any fighting either. I was hoping Persia would come and slaughter Russia or Germany because they have no iron, since I'm blocking it. I would have liked to attack Russia but I couldn't get horses quick enough.

Hopefully AI will start fighting soon and I'll grab empty land and buy techs of some desperate civ. Most likely lose by diplo loss or spaceship.

 

[Phillip_martin]

Originally posted by God
To add to the challenge we have a pretty crap map around us. The starting location is ok but w/o a river. Then we got tons of mountains to the south.

Although I'm not good at diety I think I could have done far better score wise if playing on a better map. The map totally ruins the expansionist ability.

While it provides some level of solace when others are in the same boat I am left wondering if this map and level was for the 10% who could even think of a win. Peninsular, Mountains, limited recources and no rivers. I hope that one day a Deity comes along in a good start position. This would allow all possible strategies a go at this Level. I am having fun but feel a peaceful expansion was impossible. Someone please correct me but with only one Diplomatic victory posted so far Deity is for a very agressive player.

Originally posted by God
Hopefully AI will start fighting soon and I'll grab empty land and buy techs of some desperate civ. Most likely lose by diplo loss or spaceship.

As you, JoeM and countless others have the same hope one of us is sure to be cut a break

EDIT: Well Done skaternate A fine example of an early agressive gambit which paid off....... That Great Library has made several appearances in winning strategies. My own own attempt was to focus on researching it. Crazy I know:jump:

 

[skaternate]

Unlike other posts I have read niether Rome, nor Russia where the scurge of this GOM. For mighty I was the scurge. I got a settler out of the first hut and built another city near my capitol, then I preceded to build many a worker and a granary in the capitol. The capitol would be the only city to build settlers, for barracks where the way all other cities must go. I chose not to travel west to the open plains and great luxeries, but to travel east. For east is where you will find pre-built cities, pre-built wonders, and a few luxeries. In one sense I may have been the luckiest player. Germany built on the Russian Iron. I then went off to conquer, rape, pillage, but never burn. Got a great leader outside of smolensk, and built FP in moscow. Moscow had great library. This brought me back up to par with learning. Russia was not worth my time little and easily defeated in a matter of ten turns. Further east do my MW want to go. Germany still doesn't have access to its Iron, so destroy them I did. Just a few more turns, one surprise in berlin. Musketmen. The end of my great counquest is near. Finished off the germans, except for one city then traded for all the knowledge in the game again. Then switched to democracy and built from within. I had a large enough civ to keep in a dead even tech race with the AI. No major wars till near the end. That is when WWI started. Rome was getting gready and came at me, I just sent the AI at them and countinued growing, made peace with rome before 20turns, war weariness. Nobody liked me the rest of the game. Around ten turns before game over WWII started, I was gready. The persians had the UN and nobody liked me. I was the only one that could be voted for if I held the UN so I went on a great journey with seven armies of tanks and many little tank minnions. Did not make it to the UN, but did take sun tsu's. Made peace and went to space, very early. You will see the date and score when the GOM scores are posted next month, untill then I can't wait for the next GOM.

 

[JoeM]

Originally posted by Phillip_martin

As you, JoeM and countless others have the same hope one of us is sure to be cut a break

Hey everyone I just (910AD) moved up from last place above the Russians!

I can almost smell victory

 

[Archer99]

I don't know if other civs can win on Diety even if it is a "better" map. Iroquois rock on diety (actually all difficulties) and the map wasn't so bad. Key civs were denied resources that made it very easy to take over their empires and when it finally got tough you could overcome the computer by distracting it and using your massive number of cities to outproduce.

 

[JoeM]

Iroquois rock on dEIty level?

What was the benefit of MW's on a map filled with mountains, hills and jungle? Sure I like cheap temples and no anarchy, but where's the 'rock' in that?

 

[Elfi Wolfe]

While there is some bad terrian south of the starting position, as you explore past that you find some choice lands. I went for 2 cities closest to the capital to making settlers, and the 3rd city near the capitor to make warrior/spearmen for the settlers.
Then the Settler/military unit would head off to a site already exporered by a scout.

The two cities in russian area where because I found a second goodies hut with a settler in it and it made the first city and that city made a settler.

all the settlers from the capital area went south. 1st one to the land bridge to block it from other civs and to set up a major port, 2 in the hills between capital and land bridge (to prevent the russians from setting up a city blocking access to the land bridge.

The 2nd city was actually sent deep into the land south of the land bridge. to make 1 temple, then the forbiden palace.

Also in conjuction was four workers making a road south.

I ended up getting most of the southern land mass, but with my land split up into 3 major pieces, with 3 cities by themselves.

Also stayed out of the wars.

this allowed me to build up cities and science while the AI kept having wars.

now it is 1600AD, I just made 3 tacicatal nukes, and to my surprise I just became the number 1 civ. Bad part is japan (number 2) just decleared war out of the blue, so I asked the 2 other major AI civs to help in my war, one wanted a resource the other wanted nothing.

I am still behind about 3-5 techs from the more advanced AI civs.
but behind with military forces.

The other way to get land is to get a ROP with a civ at war with another and then move settlers to choice spots as the two civs destory cities.

Now my question is will I be able to survive a war with me not having to use nukes to destory naval forces, or to take out invasion beachheads?

 

[Cartouche Bee]

Hi Elfi,

Your game sounds fairly similar to mine, as far as similar goes at this level.

While you built the FB palace to the south I built the FB palace in the home land and moved my main palace to the far south. This gave me a second nucleus of cities with fairly low corruption and some much needed production.

The Japanese were the civ that I won the UN election against (3-1), so that shows that they were right up there power wise in my game also. They seemed well positioned to play the wild card, with their island position and yet still in contact with all the other civs.

Wish your luck on your end game war, I think it would have been pretty dicey for me to have survived as long as you have.

CB

 

[Alphons Rodulfo]

I have just submitted my first GOTM, the first I was able to finish in time. All right, I lost, but it was an educational experience nonetheless.

I did not finish last, I think because I paid all tributes and none of the powerful other civs declared war on me. I had one small episode of war, in which I conquered two persian cities with a handfull of mounted warriors. I was luckily awarded with a GL who proceeded to build the FB. After that, it was a struggle to survive, which went reasonably well until I suffered a humiliating but expected defeat in 1410. I think the Romans won but I have no idea how. That leaves me with two questions:

1. Is there a way of finding out how you lost?
2. Are there people with a *working* summary replay? Mine has never worked through all versions..

 

[Archer99]

You have to wait a long time for the replay to start sometimes. I'm not sure what it depends on. It might be your computer or it might be the new save formats. Maybe on longer, more complicated games it takes longer to start because sometimes it starts right away for me. Wait 5 minutes and it will surely have started by then no matter how bad your machine or complicated the replay.

 

[Aravorn]

Holy cow, Diety was something else. I was cruising along staying out of all wars, giving in to demands and then out of the blue the Russians declare war followed by the Germans and English. Lasted until 790 AD with a score of 910. How some of the players actually won this game Ill never know.

Matrix: This post contains spoiler information (info that some people may not know yet) and should therefore be posted only in this thread. It's not in the forum rules, so I don't blame you. But now you know.

OOPs, my first time actually trying to post. Ill try to not screw up again

 

[Alphons Rodulfo]

Thank you Archer99, I will try this right away...

 

[Sullla]

Matrix - move this post to the spoilers thread, please

Matrix: Done.

 

[Alphons Rodulfo]

Yeah! Just a little patience solved the problem. The replay started after a minute or so.

Unfortunately, the end of the game was not elaborated on..

 

[DaSilva]

To find out how the other civ won, just look in your high score table and it well tell you how you lost.