Civ Leaders Elimination

@veBear
Why do you downrate Wu Zetian?
What has she done?
She wasn't a terrible leader!
She was a great leader!
Spoiler :
She was a great person an totally worthy to be in this game.
She was the first and only great empress of China.
She reconquered some territories that Taizong conquered and were lost.
She provided better equality.
She was great at administration,she appointed people by looking at their talents and not by social status.
She built many temples and pagodas.
She was fair to the lower classes and lowered taxes.
She reduced the size of the army,which saved lots of money.
She did a lot of great things,but she was cruel,yes,but those who want to achieve greatness must sometimes do cruel things.
She was incorrupt,intelligent,ambitious and prescient
She improved agriculture and placed a lot of importance it.
The empire prospered and there was peace.
She managed to hold the empire unified and stop rebellions(if there were any),while much emperors destroyed themselves and China
She helped spreading Buddhism

She was a lot greater then that Sacajawea,who almost did nothing and wasn't a leader
You know you will lose Sacajawea if you don't stop attacking me...
And I will lose Wu Zetian sooner or later
Please stop attacking her,she wasn't a bad leader.
If you search a bad Chinese leader then you should find Cixi!
If you still think she was a bad leader,then you have the learn something about Chinese history
My actual objective in this thread was that Wu Zetian is one of the last leaders standing and she would have a honorable fight and dead...
 
Spoiler :
Alexander - 15
Augustus Caesar - 9
Bismarck - 11
Boudica - 8
Brennus - 9
Catherine II - 13
Charlemagne - 10
Churchill - 14
Cyrus - 8
Darius - 10
de Gaulle - 8
Frederick I Barbarossa - 8
Frederick II - 9
Genghis Khan - 10
Gilgamesh - 9
Gunnhild - 8
Haile Selassie - 8
Hammurabi - 11
Hannibal - 10
Harald Bluetooth - 8
Harun al-Rashid - 9
Hatshepsut - 8
Henry the Navigator - 8
Hiawatha - 9
Huayna Capac - 8
Isabella I - 13
Ishtar - 8
Jeanne d'Arc - 9
Joao II - 9
Justinian I - 52
Kamehameha - 6
Kublai Khan - 13
Lincoln - 12
Louis XIV - 9
Mansa Musa - 6
Mao Zedong - 8
Maria Theresa - 9
Mehmed II - 8
Mursilis I - 8
Napoleon - 12
Nebuchadnezzar II - 8
Oda Nobunaga - 9
Pacal II - 10
Pachacuti - 10
Pericles - 9
Peter I - 6
Philip II - 8
Ragnar Lodbrok - 9
Ram Khamhaeng - 7
Ramesses II - 11
Sacajawea - 4
Saladin - 9
Shaka Zulu - 9
Sitting Bull - 9
Stalin - 7
Suleiman I - 9
Suryavarman II - 9
Tokugawa - 7
Willem van Oranje - 13
Wu Zetian - 18
Zara Yaqob - 11
 
@Mango Elephant
Thanks for uprating Wu Zetian!
But Ramkhamhaeng is surely one of the greatest leaders in Thai history.
 
Sam's vote:
Spoiler :
Alexander - 15
Augustus Caesar - 9
Bismarck - 11
Boudica - 8
Brennus - 9
Catherine II - 13
Charlemagne - 10
Churchill - 14
Cyrus - 8
Darius - 10
de Gaulle - 8
Frederick I Barbarossa - 8
Frederick II - 9
Genghis Khan - 10
Gilgamesh - 9
Gunnhild - 8
Haile Selassie - 8
Hammurabi - 11
Hannibal - 10
Harald Bluetooth - 8
Harun al-Rashid - 9
Hatshepsut - 8
Henry the Navigator - 8
Hiawatha - 9
Huayna Capac - 8
Isabella I - 13
Ishtar - 8
Jeanne d'Arc - 9
Joao II - 9
Justinian I - 53
Kamehameha - 4
Kublai Khan - 13
Lincoln - 12
Louis XIV - 9
Mansa Musa - 6
Mao Zedong - 8
Maria Theresa - 9
Mehmed II - 8
Mursilis I - 8
Napoleon - 12
Nebuchadnezzar II - 8
Oda Nobunaga - 9
Pacal II - 10
Pachacuti - 10
Pericles - 9
Peter I - 6
Philip II - 8
Ragnar Lodbrok - 9
Ram Khamhaeng - 7
Ramesses II - 11
Sacajawea - 4
Saladin - 9
Shaka Zulu - 9
Sitting Bull - 9
Stalin - 7
Suleiman I - 9
Suryavarman II - 9
Tokugawa - 7
Willem van Oranje - 13
Wu Zetian - 18
Zara Yaqob - 11
 
And you think that that Sacajawea deserves that more than Wu Zetian?!
Shame on you!
And why do your choices of 10 most important leaders in history are all European?
Europe is not the world,Asia is even important and the other continents too!

Up Empress Wu Zetian,Sacred Empress regnant of China;down Sacajawea,who did nothing
 
Shaka would not be on the list,he comes nowhere near Ramesses II,who did more then him.
He just started a war and won some battles and was leader of a kingdom smaller then Belgium.
Why don't you say WHY you think that Sacajawea is more important then Wu Zetian?
You seem to avoid to answer that question?
 
Up Justin, down Kamehameha, and the votes.
Spoiler :
Alexander - 15
Augustus Caesar - 9
Bismarck - 11
Boudica - 8
Brennus - 9
Catherine II - 13
Charlemagne - 10
Churchill - 14
Cyrus - 8
Darius - 10
de Gaulle - 8
Frederick I Barbarossa - 8
Frederick II - 9
Genghis Khan - 10
Gilgamesh - 9
Gunnhild - 8
Haile Selassie - 8
Hammurabi - 11
Hannibal - 10
Harald Bluetooth - 8
Harun al-Rashid - 9
Hatshepsut - 8
Henry the Navigator - 8
Hiawatha - 9
Huayna Capac - 8
Isabella I - 13
Ishtar - 8
Jeanne d'Arc - 9
Joao II - 9
Justinian I - 54
Kamehameha - 2
Kublai Khan - 13
Lincoln - 12
Louis XIV - 9
Mansa Musa - 6
Mao Zedong - 8
Maria Theresa - 9
Mehmed II - 8
Mursilis I - 8
Napoleon - 12
Nebuchadnezzar II - 8
Oda Nobunaga - 9
Pacal II - 10
Pachacuti - 10
Pericles - 9
Peter I - 6
Philip II - 8
Ragnar Lodbrok - 9
Ram Khamhaeng - 7
Ramesses II - 11
Sacajawea - 3
Saladin - 9
Shaka Zulu - 9
Sitting Bull - 9
Stalin - 7
Suleiman I - 9
Suryavarman II - 9
Tokugawa - 7
Willem van Oranje - 13
Wu Zetian - 17
Zara Yaqob - 11
 
Done.
Spoiler :
Alexander - 15
Augustus Caesar - 9
Bismarck - 11
Boudica - 8
Brennus - 9
Catherine II - 13
Charlemagne - 10
Churchill - 14
Cyrus - 8
Darius - 10
de Gaulle - 8
Frederick I Barbarossa - 8
Frederick II - 9
Genghis Khan - 10
Gilgamesh - 9
Gunnhild - 8
Haile Selassie - 8
Hammurabi - 11
Hannibal - 10
Harald Bluetooth - 8
Harun al-Rashid - 9
Hatshepsut - 8
Henry the Navigator - 8
Hiawatha - 9
Huayna Capac - 8
Isabella I - 13
Ishtar - 8
Jeanne d'Arc - 9
Joao II - 9
Justinian I - 55
Kublai Khan - 13
Lincoln - 12
Louis XIV - 9
Mansa Musa - 6
Mao Zedong - 8
Maria Theresa - 9
Mehmed II - 8
Mursilis I - 8
Napoleon - 12
Nebuchadnezzar II - 8
Oda Nobunaga - 9
Pacal II - 10
Pachacuti - 10
Pericles - 9
Peter I - 6
Philip II - 8
Ragnar Lodbrok - 9
Ram Khamhaeng - 7
Ramesses II - 11
Sacajawea - 3
Saladin - 9
Shaka Zulu - 9
Sitting Bull - 9
Stalin - 7
Suleiman I - 9
Suryavarman II - 9
Tokugawa - 7
Willem van Oranje - 13
Wu Zetian - 17
Zara Yaqob - 11
 
You really hate Wu Zetian,huh?
Up Wu Zetian,sacred empress of the Zhou Dynasty,down Sacajawea,who did nothing
Spoiler :
Alexander - 15
Augustus Caesar - 9
Bismarck - 11
Boudica - 8
Brennus - 9
Catherine II - 13
Charlemagne - 10
Churchill - 14
Cyrus - 8
Darius - 10
de Gaulle - 8
Frederick I Barbarossa - 8
Frederick II - 9
Genghis Khan - 10
Gilgamesh - 9
Gunnhild - 8
Haile Selassie - 8
Hammurabi - 11
Hannibal - 10
Harald Bluetooth - 8
Harun al-Rashid - 9
Hatshepsut - 8
Henry the Navigator - 8
Hiawatha - 9
Huayna Capac - 8
Isabella I - 13
Ishtar - 8
Jeanne d'Arc - 9
Joao II - 9
Justinian I - 55
Kublai Khan - 13
Lincoln - 12
Louis XIV - 9
Mansa Musa - 6
Mao Zedong - 8
Maria Theresa - 9
Mehmed II - 8
Mursilis I - 8
Napoleon - 12
Nebuchadnezzar II - 8
Oda Nobunaga - 9
Pacal II - 10
Pachacuti - 10
Pericles - 9
Peter I - 6
Philip II - 8
Ragnar Lodbrok - 9
Ram Khamhaeng - 7
Ramesses II - 11
Sacajawea - 2
Saladin - 9
Shaka Zulu - 9
Sitting Bull - 9
Stalin - 7
Suleiman I - 9
Suryavarman II - 9
Tokugawa - 7
Willem van Oranje - 13
Wu Zetian - 16
Zara Yaqob - 11
 
Despite the fact Civciv5 is wrong, I'm pulling the trigger.
Up Justin, snipe Sacajawea.
@veBear: I hhave an offer for you if you want to hear me out.
 
Up Wu, down with Ram.

Every culture besides Chinese is pathetic, especially Thai culture. Europeans almost have an excuse because they're so far way, but the Thai have no justifiable reason to not adopt Chinese culture and become a Chinese vessel.

Spoiler :
Alexander - 15
Augustus Caesar - 9
Bismarck - 11
Boudica - 8
Brennus - 9
Catherine II - 13
Charlemagne - 10
Churchill - 14
Cyrus - 8
Darius - 10
de Gaulle - 8
Frederick I Barbarossa - 8
Frederick II - 9
Genghis Khan - 10
Gilgamesh - 9
Gunnhild - 8
Haile Selassie - 8
Hammurabi - 11
Hannibal - 10
Harald Bluetooth - 8
Harun al-Rashid - 9
Hatshepsut - 8
Henry the Navigator - 8
Hiawatha - 9
Huayna Capac - 8
Isabella I - 13
Ishtar - 8
Jeanne d'Arc - 9
Joao II - 9
Justinian I - 56
Kublai Khan - 13
Lincoln - 12
Louis XIV - 9
Mansa Musa - 6
Mao Zedong - 8
Maria Theresa - 9
Mehmed II - 8
Mursilis I - 8
Napoleon - 12
Nebuchadnezzar II - 8
Oda Nobunaga - 9
Pacal II - 10
Pachacuti - 10
Pericles - 9
Peter I - 6
Philip II - 8
Ragnar Lodbrok - 9
Ram Khamhaeng - 5
Ramesses II - 11
Saladin - 9
Shaka Zulu - 9
Sitting Bull - 9
Stalin - 7
Suleiman I - 9
Suryavarman II - 9
Tokugawa - 7
Willem van Oranje - 13
Wu Zetian - 17
Zara Yaqob - 11
 
Up Justin, down Ishtar.
Spoiler :
Alexander - 15
Augustus Caesar - 9
Bismarck - 11
Boudica - 8
Brennus - 9
Catherine II - 13
Charlemagne - 10
Churchill - 14
Cyrus - 8
Darius - 10
de Gaulle - 8
Frederick I Barbarossa - 8
Frederick II - 9
Genghis Khan - 10
Gilgamesh - 9
Gunnhild - 8
Haile Selassie - 8
Hammurabi - 11
Hannibal - 10
Harald Bluetooth - 8
Harun al-Rashid - 9
Hatshepsut - 8
Henry the Navigator - 8
Hiawatha - 9
Huayna Capac - 8
Isabella I - 13
Ishtar - 6
Jeanne d'Arc - 9
Joao II - 9
Justinian I - 57
Kublai Khan - 13
Lincoln - 12
Louis XIV - 9
Mansa Musa - 6
Mao Zedong - 8
Maria Theresa - 9
Mehmed II - 8
Mursilis I - 8
Napoleon - 12
Nebuchadnezzar II - 8
Oda Nobunaga - 9
Pacal II - 10
Pachacuti - 10
Pericles - 9
Peter I - 6
Philip II - 8
Ragnar Lodbrok - 9
Ram Khamhaeng - 5
Ramesses II - 11
Saladin - 9
Shaka Zulu - 9
Sitting Bull - 9
Stalin - 7
Suleiman I - 9
Suryavarman II - 9
Tokugawa - 7
Willem van Oranje - 13
Wu Zetian - 17
Zara Yaqob - 11
 
I smell something sinister...
Up Wu, down with Ram.

Every culture besides Chinese is pathetic, especially Thai culture. Europeans almost have an excuse because they're so far way, but the Thai have no justifiable reason to not adopt Chinese culture and become a Chinese vessel.
Click to expand...
That's a little Sinocentric and Ethnocentric,you are really speaking as an Chinese Emperor of the Celestial Empire who has claimed the Mandate of Heaven.While I'm interested in China,I'm also interested in Thailand and a lot of other cultures,I do not agree with your view of all nations being inferior to China.
I'm against any form of superiority and centrism,Eurocentrism but also Sinocentrism.
But to help Wu Zetian,I'm obliged to act as I'm Wu Zetian and I claimed the Mandate of Heavan of the Celestial Empire of China.
Wu Zetian has invaded the Kingdom of Sukhothai to demand tribute!
Spoiler :
Alexander - 15
Augustus Caesar - 9
Bismarck - 11
Boudica - 8
Brennus - 9
Catherine II - 13
Charlemagne - 10
Churchill - 14
Cyrus - 8
Darius - 10
de Gaulle - 8
Frederick I Barbarossa - 8
Frederick II - 9
Genghis Khan - 10
Gilgamesh - 9
Gunnhild - 8
Haile Selassie - 8
Hammurabi - 11
Hannibal - 10
Harald Bluetooth - 8
Harun al-Rashid - 9
Hatshepsut - 8
Henry the Navigator - 8
Hiawatha - 9
Huayna Capac - 8
Isabella I - 13
Ishtar - 8
Jeanne d'Arc - 9
Joao II - 9
Justinian I - 56
Kublai Khan - 13
Lincoln - 12
Louis XIV - 9
Mansa Musa - 6
Mao Zedong - 8
Maria Theresa - 9
Mehmed II - 8
Mursilis I - 8
Napoleon - 12
Nebuchadnezzar II - 8
Oda Nobunaga - 9
Pacal II - 10
Pachacuti - 10
Pericles - 9
Peter I - 6
Philip II - 8
Ragnar Lodbrok - 9
Ramkhamhaeng - 3
Ramesses II - 11
Saladin - 9
Shaka Zulu - 9
Sitting Bull - 9
Stalin - 7
Suleiman I - 9
Suryavarman II - 9
Tokugawa - 7
Willem van Oranje - 13
Wu Zetian - 18
Zara Yaqob - 11
 
You keep downrating Empress Wu...
Well,there is nothing more than that I would like then destroying Justinian I...
As soon as Wu Zetian is gone,her ghost will haunt you forever and will destroy Justinian and all his friends...
Hahahaha!
:mwaha:
 
Up Genghis, down Boudica.
Spoiler :

Alexander - 15
Augustus Caesar - 9
Bismarck - 11
Boudica - 6
Brennus - 9
Catherine II - 13
Charlemagne - 10
Churchill - 14
Cyrus - 8
Darius - 10
de Gaulle - 8
Frederick I Barbarossa - 8
Frederick II - 9
Genghis Khan - 11
Gilgamesh - 9
Gunnhild - 8
Haile Selassie - 8
Hammurabi - 11
Hannibal - 10
Harald Bluetooth - 8
Harun al-Rashid - 9
Hatshepsut - 8
Henry the Navigator - 8
Hiawatha - 9
Huayna Capac - 8
Isabella I - 13
Ishtar - 8
Jeanne d'Arc - 9
Joao II - 9
Justinian I - 57
Kublai Khan - 13
Lincoln - 12
Louis XIV - 9
Mansa Musa - 6
Mao Zedong - 8
Maria Theresa - 9
Mehmed II - 8
Mursilis I - 8
Napoleon - 12
Nebuchadnezzar II - 8
Oda Nobunaga - 9
Pacal II - 10
Pachacuti - 10
Pericles - 9
Peter I - 6
Philip II - 8
Ragnar Lodbrok - 9
Ramkhamhaeng - 3
Ramesses II - 11
Saladin - 9
Shaka Zulu - 9
Sitting Bull - 9
Stalin - 7
Suleiman I - 9
Suryavarman II - 9
Tokugawa - 7
Willem van Oranje - 13
Wu Zetian - 16
Zara Yaqob - 11


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:sarcasm:

Seriously, THIS is the best leader ever:
Spoiler :

:banana:
 
Up Justin, down Ishtar.
Spoiler :
Alexander - 15
Augustus Caesar - 9
Bismarck - 11
Boudica - 6
Brennus - 9
Catherine II - 13
Charlemagne - 10
Churchill - 14
Cyrus - 8
Darius - 10
de Gaulle - 8
Frederick I Barbarossa - 8
Frederick II - 9
Genghis Khan - 11
Gilgamesh - 9
Gunnhild - 8
Haile Selassie - 8
Hammurabi - 11
Hannibal - 10
Harald Bluetooth - 8
Harun al-Rashid - 9
Hatshepsut - 8
Henry the Navigator - 8
Hiawatha - 9
Huayna Capac - 8
Isabella I - 13
Ishtar - 6
Jeanne d'Arc - 9
Joao II - 9
Justinian I - 58
Kublai Khan - 13
Lincoln - 12
Louis XIV - 9
Mansa Musa - 6
Mao Zedong - 8
Maria Theresa - 9
Mehmed II - 8
Mursilis I - 8
Napoleon - 12
Nebuchadnezzar II - 8
Oda Nobunaga - 9
Pacal II - 10
Pachacuti - 10
Pericles - 9
Peter I - 6
Philip II - 8
Ragnar Lodbrok - 9
Ramkhamhaeng - 3
Ramesses II - 11
Saladin - 9
Shaka Zulu - 9
Sitting Bull - 9
Stalin - 7
Suleiman I - 9
Suryavarman II - 9
Tokugawa - 7
Willem van Oranje - 13
Wu Zetian - 16
Zara Yaqob - 11
 
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