Civ V Civilizations Roster

First of all, just stop posting Palestine vs. Israel. Not gonna happen.

Here's my list:

US
Germany
England
France
Russia
Spain
Japan
China
India
Persia
Arabia
Ottoman
Rome
Greece
Egypt
Inca
Mongolia
An African Civ, I don't know African history that well so I don't know which one
 
Haha! People take a lot of umbrage of whom they want to see represented in Civ 5. As for controversy - that's kind of a null factor IMHO. Israel, Palestine, Hitler, Mussolini have all been mentioned in the past, but when talking civ choices controversy should have nothing to do with it. After all, the game is built on racing to be the biggest, most impactful, legendary, or techno savvy empire on earth. Those empires that represented that best in historical real-life should be represented. We don't exclude Germany because of contraversy, yet it was on the Axis-side of world wars twice; or France when Napoleon was the Axis side in his European domination. The empire either became powerful (in some form) or it didn't.
 
Haha! People take a lot of umbrage of whom they want to see represented in Civ 5. As for controversy - that's kind of a null factor IMHO. Israel, Palestine, Hitler, Mussolini have all been mentioned in the past, but when talking civ choices controversy should have nothing to do with it. After all, the game is built on racing to be the biggest, most impactful, legendary, or techno savvy empire on earth. Those empires that represented that best in historical real-life should be represented. We don't exclude Germany because of contraversy, yet it was on the Axis-side of world wars twice; or France when Napoleon was the Axis side in his European domination. The empire either became powerful (in some form) or it didn't.

if you put in hitler, the game cant sell in Germany.
 
There wouldn't be so much heat about western domination and their influence on the civ franchise if other continents took a leading role in dominating as well. The fact is European diversity in such a small continent bred conflict within the continent and the Mediterannean which lead to a domination psyche in many of ruling empires of history. Many cultures simply did not face the constant border conflict that breeds this warmongering. Egypt for example was geographically protected by the Med, Red Sea, and the Sahara Desert. Therefore, other than Kadesh, they never felt the need to spread across the entire world. The same could be said of the Khmer in southeast Asia, or the Pacific Oceanic peoples who shared culture across a much larger expanse than most of the empires we mention.

This maybe a little cynical, but diversity in any of these games (civ or RTS games) is only there as a token effect to appease buyers on each continent. Rarely is diversity included for historical fact or realism.
 
Good point. They are pulling the old Egyptian erase-a-face to wipe him from history. Not that they want to be proud of him, I understand.

No, they are pulling the "You shouldn't glorify this guy" trick.

They have no or little objection to historical and educational material representing Hitler, and Nazism as it was. They have objection to toys, including video games, using Nazis symbols and Nazi people to sell the game (either in a "You can kill Nazis!" or "You can play as the Nazis!" sort of way).
 
:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo: Hitler discussion.

Ontopic: Firaxis will sure put only leaders in the game, who have lead their country into a good age of economy, science, or whatever, who did have a good impact on the history in their country and are seen as "good" leaders in their contries.
Everything else does not make sense.
No way for Hitler or Mussolini to be included.
 
:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo: Hitler discussion.

Ontopic: Firaxis will sure put only leaders in the game, who have lead their country into a good age of economy, science, or whatever, who did have a good impact on the history in their country and are seen as "good" leaders in their contries.
Everything else does not make sense.
No way for Hitler or Mussolini to be included.

Actually, Italians DO still see Mussolini in good light, he almost destroyed the Italian Mafia. :lol:
 
*Sigh* This discussion seems to crop up every time a new Civ game is going to be released. :rolleyes:

Hitler should not be in the game. Period.

As mentioned, Firaxis could not sell their game in Germany with Hitler in the game.

Firaxis claims that Civ 5 will be extremely mod friendly. After seeing the Civ 4 mods that came out I see this as much ado about nothing.

Someone will make a mod with Hitler in it. If people want to use that mod and play as Hitler or fight Hitler then let them do it.
 
Based on my limited knowledge of history, I can probably say that the civilisations one such as me thinks have had a grand impact are more likely to be in Civilization V- the game is not aimed for historians.
People arguing that so-and-so nation should be put in because the game will sell more is silly, how many of you bought the game so you could play as your nation? You just go for the nation in accordance with how you want to play. If game-sales were based on nationalism and patriotism alone the game would simply be full of modern nations (I was tempted to make a Serbia joke here, but decided against it. No offence intended to my Balkan brothers :love:).

American Civilisations
United States of America - confirmed
Incans - The first grand nation of the new world the Spaniards came across (to my knowledge), heavily romanticised and the atrocities done against them is common knowledge.
Azteks - According to the earlier posted graph, they've been every civilization game, perhaps they are well known in the USA.
Mayans - This civilisation has had a lot of publicity recently with the end of their calendar, various films, perfumes etc. for some reason this civilisation has had a lot of publicity of late.

European Civilisations
Germany - confirmed
France - A great deal of people know of this country and of its power, present and past.
Great Britain (or the UK) - This is the same case as with the French.
Spain - " "
Russia - " "
Roman Empire - Immensely famous all over the world due to their relationship with Christianity, the creation of Latin, conquering and assimilating most of Europe and other things.
Ancient Greece - A common source of tales and legends which many people grew up with, most people will know of at least one Grecian philosopher or invention.

Asia
China - A great deal of people know of this country and of its power, present and past.
India - " "
Ancient Persia - This region is currently very well known due to Iran's involvement in wars and their fairly recent toppling of the monarchy, their art styles are still evident in your average household, most people will own or know of Persian rugs.
Mongol Empire - Genghis Kahn is still told of and is heavily romanticised, the remnants of his empire caused the creation of many other nations such nations will obviously be more familiar with him.
Japan - Well known in America due to their involvement in the War and throughout the world thanks to their involvement in modern culture and samurai.

African Civilisations
Ancient Egypt - for similar reasons as Ancient Greece
Zulu - a well-known and again romanticised nation due to their aggressiveness and involvement in the Zulu war

Obviously, there could be many other countries included, but perhaps none are as famous as the above (this depends on where one lives naturally, I am speaking from an English perspective). Unfortunately, I am out of slots and I fear Europe would be over represented with the Ottoman Empire involved.
I've no doubt civilisations such as Portugal, Mali and Babylonia will be included in expansion packs.
Sorry if my explanations are difficult to read or ill-explained, I am very tired.
 
i found it all perfectly simple to read and understand :P
 
:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo: Hitler discussion.

Ontopic: Firaxis will sure put only leaders in the game, who have lead their country into a good age of economy, science, or whatever, who did have a good impact on the history in their country and are seen as "good" leaders in their contries.
Everything else does not make sense.
No way for Hitler or Mussolini to be included.

I would like to add on to that, just in case someone says "WTH Stalin was bad, he killed people, he wasn't a good leader and they put him in! So why can't Hitler?"

The main difference between, say, Stalin and Hitler, is that Stalin "won". He survived, and we don't view him as 99%-100% bad, and, despite all the horrible things he did, he did bring Russia/USSR out to become a superpower against/alongside America. Hitler, on the other hand... well, we all know what happened to him.
 
Likely choices are Ferdinand & Isabella, Charles V & I, General Franco and perhaps El Cid, but he is "only" Spain's national hero and never its ruler
 
but he is "only" Spain's national hero and never its ruler
Ghandi.
And El Cid was as much a rule of Spain as El Cid was of "Greece", having conquered a city, Valencia I believe. Not that I would expect him, though.
 
You mean the chap in my signature? The difference there is that Gandhi was practically the father of modern India and intimately involved in what led up to the British Empire's shameful behaviour with Partition.
 
El Cid, perhaps?

While he was a legendary military leader and a national hero, he never did rule Spain.
I would say either Charles V or Franco.

Charles V was king during one of the Spanish Empire's most prosperous periods and he greatly extended Spain's territory in the New World. He is certainly a worthy leader, no doubt. The only problem I have is that he was also the Holy Roman Emperor (even though he always considered himself Spanish before anything else), which could cause some confusion.

Franco, while I don't really admire him, did wisely manage to keep Spain neutral during the most destructive war in history. The consequences for Spain would have been disastrous had she entered the war. Spain also had huge economic growth under him, known as the "Spanish miracle."
 
Ghandi.
And El Cid was as much a rule of Spain as El Cid was of "Greece", having conquered a city, Valencia I believe. Not that I would expect him, though.

Ghandi as just a "hero" of the Indian state?

Hardly. His incredible influence over the political machinations that formed the modern Indian state may have been informal in the sense that we view the leaders in Civilization, but in many ways he played the role of an "actual" leader.
 
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