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Civ5 - shipping with Steamworks * plus Digital Deluxe Edition

Discussion in 'News Updates' started by V. Soma, May 6, 2010.

  1. failhorse

    failhorse Chieftain

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    Again DLC is added to push the product at retail price 59.99. Otherwise everyone would sell it for the MAP price of 49.99. This is how marketing works these days, not just in the software business.
     
  2. PiTiFUL

    PiTiFUL Warlord

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    Steam only auto updates games if you have it setup to do so, if you do not want your games auto updated then change the settings.
     
  3. phoinix

    phoinix Warlord

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    :lol::lol:
    Wouldn't mind if it turned into a Number 6 though :D

    all of those who won't buy it because of steam, go ahead and not enjoy CiV (we'll see how many of you keep their "oath" of steam purity :lol:)
     
  4. CanuckSoldier

    CanuckSoldier Emperor

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    Complaining about a DRM solution in 2010 is like complaining that the governemnt makes you buckle your seat belt, unlike your dads old muscle car.

    If you think that tolerating a DRM solution is to much for you to handle I guess you won't be playing any new games at all. No company is going to invest money in a game with out protecting it. I don't know if you've noticed but other than movies, games are the largest pirated files on bittorents.

    So if using steam which as DRM solutions go, is one of the less intrusive ones, is a game breaker for you I guess Civ4 will be your game of choice.. The rest of us will be enjoying the new kid on the block.....

    CS
     
  5. Bad Brett

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    It's worse than a virus. I've never had problems getting rid of a virus, but I've had severe problems getting rid of all traces of Steam.
     
  6. Mathalamus

    Mathalamus Emperor of Mathalia

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    DRM shoudl be very lax anyway.

    i don't play the new games anyway. too complicated. and yes i am aware of that.

    i may try civilization 5 anyway. i may not like it though, since new games = very complicated.
     
  7. HypnosTene

    HypnosTene Warlord

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    Not sure when you started gaming, but for me, in most cases new games = streamlined and less complex. A prime example here are the so called 'strategy games' of today, or what passes for RPGs. Still, I appreciate that, as I no longer have time to 'work' on a game.

    EDIT: And upon reflection, even though I like steam quite a bit, I'd rather Civ 5 wasn't Steam-only. That seems a bit excessive.
     
  8. NikNak

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    There are caveats to offline mode operation. There must not be a Steam update pending. There must not be a game update pending. You must authenticate, then go offline. When you go back online, games will have to authenticate.

    Incorrect. Steam actually tracks a ton of data. This regularly gets published by Valve.

    That's untrue. Some of us are concerned about Steam because it is building towards a monopoly on digital distribution of games. We are also worried about the future of Steam. As I said before, Valve is a privately held company. No one has any control over it but the owner and he could sell at any time or the company could just go belly up. Since no one knows what the financials are like, anything goes. If Steam dies, you will lose access to Civ V unless 2K steps up and does something after the fact.

    I don't want to get melodramatic, but some of us don't agree that it's the "cost of modern DRM" nor do we feel that we should be punished over the piracy issue. Steam isn't a hack-proof solution. If the concern is just stopping casual piracy, then there are other methods.

    Personally, I think Steamworks is great for some games. I don't think it's necessary for Civ V.
     
  9. Fosse

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    Thank you for clarifying the point.

    However, it now has changed. At least insofar as I am one of those fans. If I wish to be graceful to Firaxis, I'll say that it is committed up until the point at which its publisher insists on poisoning the well.

    Activation is a line in the sand that I will not cross. I expect anything I purchase to be in good working order years down the line, regardless of the condition of the company that I bought it from.

    It is only my great love of the series that will lead to my purchasing the game when I find Civ 5 Complete available for $4.99 in December of 2011 or 2012. I would have bought the game, and any expansions, for full price the week of release if they had not done this.

    Thank you again for answering my questions. I'm disappointed, as I had been looking forward to Civ 5 enormously before this decision mucked it up.
     
  10. TCMIV

    TCMIV Barış Manço

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    I really doubt game developers care very much what a few people say now. "I'm never buying this game" is likely to change over the next 4 months, it happens with every game release.
     
  11. Eejit

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    Haw haw, nothing quite so dramatic, just a very long time lurker and 'valve fanboi' ;)
     
  12. Ulyaoth

    Ulyaoth Emperor

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    Not gonna buy it if they're gonna pull the extra content and I'm sure soon enough DLC crap, along with if it needs steam. I have nothing wrong with steam, but just don't want Civ attached to it.
     
  13. Rub'Rum

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    It's been said before in the thread, but for me the biggest problem with Steam and its type of business model is not the copy protection or the software itself, no, it's the fact that it promotes the growth of micro-transactions and DLC as the future of PC gaming, which I find horribly depressing. People, stop buyin DLC and micro-transactions.
     
  14. phoinix

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    everything clean...
     
  15. Bad Brett

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    Many people won't buy the game; They'll wait a couple of days and get a Steam-free version instead. They might not be able to play online, but Civ is mostly a single player game anyway.

    My point is that this decision is going to make people, who'd normally buy the game, get a cracked version instead and that can't be good for anyone.
     
  16. Ulyaoth

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    I've never played Civ online anyway. My whole issue really is being forced to use steam, plus the fact they're going to go the DLC and extra content route.
     
  17. 2K Elizabeth

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    In this instance, we do care. The dev team (I'm sure you are aware) read this place all the time, as do I. Your opinions are very important to us - which is one of the reasons I'm here so much today. This is an important discussion.
     
  18. AbsintheRed

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    This is absolutely true
    I wanted to buy the game as soon as possible, if Steam remains this way then I won't.
    Along with the majority of the traditional fans of the civ series, whom Firaxis and 2K claims are the most important fanbase...
     
  19. NikNak

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    Important, but closed, correct? There's realistically nothing that's going to change this decision at this point.
     
  20. AbsintheRed

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    Then there is still some hope?
    Thank you Elizabeth!
    I really think we should make that petition...

    EDIT: On the other hand: Another thing I hope is that Jarvi and other fcking *****s (meaning = paid and fake CFC accounts) are not connected to the dev team, just to Steam...

    EDIT2: nevermind, NikNak is right. it was just a line :(
     

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