CIV6 Civs and Leaders

Art Grin said:
It's going to be a mix just like in Civ5.
We'll see some familiar faces and some completely new ones. Last time they surprised us with Siam so who knows which civilization will be the newcomer this time. :)
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I was specifically referencing Japan and Egypt. But I agree with your point nonetheless.
 
Art Grin said:
Tokugawa or Oda for Japan. Those two are the most likely option imho since Tokugawa was in every Civ game pre-V and Oda was leading them in Civ5.
Ramses or Hetshepsut for Egypt due to being the most iconic.

Also as far as other civs are concerned we'll surely see most of the usual suspect like America, Russia, China, England, Greece, Rome, Germany, Persia and France.
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Though Oda or Tokugawa seem more traditional, how about Meiji? :p
 
Most Civ games have a pretty similar roster of civs on release with a few wild cards mixed in once in a while like Siam and Songhai in Civ5 or Mali in Civ4.
As far as unique traits or units are concerned some civs also have their typical UU which they every time like French Musketeer, Russian Cossacks, Germans Panzers, Japanese Samurai and Aztec Jaguar Warriors.
If we go with 18 civs on release I'd wager it'd be something like this:
  1. America: Modern and expansionist civ
  2. Aztec: Classic early game warmonger
  3. China: Medieval science powerhouse
  4. Japan: Excellent warmonger across all periods
  5. England: Naval and commerce civ
  6. France: Cultural civ and post-renaissance military civ
  7. Germany: Industrious and warmonger civ
  8. Russia: Expansionism, culture and nukes
  9. Rome: Early game powerhouse
  10. Greece: Early game culture and science
  11. Egypt: Early game wonders and culture civ
  12. Persia: Early game expansionist civ
  13. Ottomans: Renaissance era military powerhouse.
  14. Arabia: Desert, religion and commerce civ
  15. India: Population and religion civ
  16. Vietnam: New South-East Asia with both ancient and modern options for uniques
  17. Mali: Somebody is going to be in West-Africa and I doubt they'll go with the Songhai again
  18. Brazil: Modern World, jungle civ and South America representative.
 
Art Grin said:
Most Civ games have a pretty similar roster of civs on release with a few wild cards mixed in once in a while like Siam and Songhai in Civ5 or Mali in Civ4.
As far as unique traits or units are concerned some civs also have their typical UU which they every time like French Musketeer, Russian Cossacks, Germans Panzers, Japanese Samurai and Aztec Jaguar Warriors.
If we go with 18 civs on release I'd wager it'd be something like this:
  1. America: Modern and expansionist civ
  2. Aztec: Classic early game warmonger
  3. China: Medieval science powerhouse
  4. Japan: Excellent warmonger across all periods
  5. England: Naval and commerce civ
  6. France: Cultural civ and post-renaissance military civ
  7. Germany: Industrious and warmonger civ
  8. Russia: Expansionism, culture and nukes
  9. Rome: Early game powerhouse
  10. Greece: Early game culture and science
  11. Egypt: Early game wonders and culture civ
  12. Persia: Early game expansionist civ
  13. Ottomans: Renaissance era military powerhouse.
  14. Arabia: Desert, religion and commerce civ
  15. India: Population and religion civ
  16. Vietnam: New South-East Asia with both ancient and modern options for uniques
  17. Mali: Somebody is going to be in West-Africa and I doubt they'll go with the Songhai again
  18. Brazil: Modern World, jungle civ and South America representative.
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I hope that the city list of the Ottomans would have cities of everywhere of the Ottoman empire and not just from Turkey. Even if Turkey is to some extent a continuation of the Ottoman empire, it doesn't represent the Ottoman empire well.
 
Yeahhhhh you know what I would be interested in? Fewer civs, but also deeper diplomatic options within the civ. They mentioned that there would be random factors in the IGN aricle that you will only learn if you explore, trade, (etc etc) a lot with them... Heres an idea: Leader Spouses!

How would that work? For example, deal with Bismarck, he's agressive, a shrewd trader, doesn't sue for peace... but over the course of your relationship you're introduced to his wife, Elaenor Roosevelt! Bam! Whammo! Universal suffrage policy and suddenly he DofF's you!

What else? Ummm you have an ongoing hostility with Elizabeth of England, she's constantly guarded, then...Kazaam! Its Rasputin! Elizabeths husband all along! Complete a religious quest of some sort, and now the trade opens right up...

Possibilities are endless. Monezuma being a pain in the neck as usual? Maybe you can deal with his much more reasonable wife, Pocahontis! Gandhis ready to go nuclear? Have a chat to Anne Boylean! Catherine won't sign that research agreement? Surely theres someone else you can talk to...
 
Yeah, it would be nice but I fear it's just going to be modern Turkish cities.
I mean back in Civ3 we still had Kiev, Tblisi and Minsk on the Russian city-list and Germany could still found Königsberg. Nowadays they stick to cities owned by those civs today over historic settlements.
 
I'll go with 20 civs. Wasn't that how many we had in Civ V?

Arabia:
No idea.

America:
Theodore Roosevelt. I'd go with Lincoln, but Teddy was on the trailer, so...

Aztecs:
Montezuma.

Babylon:
Hammurabi.

Brazil:
I don't really think Brazil will be in the Vanilla, but I'd love it to be. Lead by Getúlio Vargas, of course.

China:
Qin Shihuan. I hope it'll be Mao, but I don't think they'll do that.

England:
Either Churchill or Victoria. I'd be disappointed to see Elizabeth again.

Egypt:
No idea. Cleopatra, maybe?

France:
I wish for Joan D'Arc, but I think they'll go either with Napoleon or Louis XIV/XVI

Germany:
Wilhem II.

Greece:
Pericles, maybe?

India:
Gandhi, of course. Can't have a Civ without him.

Japan:
No idea who'd lead it.

Ottomans:
No idea.

Persia:
Uh... Xerxes?

Poland:
No idea.

Portugal:
D. Sebastian, of course.

Rome:
We had Augustus on V, so I guess it'll be Julius.

Russia:
LENIN, PLEASE. Or Stalin. If they're not gonna go communist, Ivan IV.

Zulus:
No idea.
 
How about multiple leaders like in CIV 2 or 4? Personally I wouldn't mind if they would scrap out the leaders altogether but that won't happen any time soon.
 
f we analize vanilla Civ 4 and 5, we'll notice that both started with 18 civilizations and most of them were shared. I think those will be present on Civ 6 as well:

America
Arabia
Aztecs
China
Egypt
England
France
Germany
Greece
India
Japan
Persia
Rome
Russia

We have 4 spaces left to fill.
From the Americas, I'd choose the Incas, but it could be the Iroquois too (I'd suggest the Mayas, but they are usually reserved for an expansion pack, for whatever reason).
I think Spain is another strong contender.
It would be great to have an African civ from the start: either Ethiopia or Mali.
And finally, Mongolia.

(Aditionally, Persia could be replaced for the Ottomans or the Sumerians, but the Persians seem to be a classic in Civ world).

What do you think about this list?
 
JeszKar said:
How about multiple leaders like in CIV 2 or 4?
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It would be great!

But I gotta say: not every civ should have more than one leader; just the ones with several facets that could not be suitably represented by one person. For example, Japan could have Tokugawa (with a military flavor) and Meiji (scientific and industrious) as leaders.
Other suggestions:

America: Lincoln and Roosevelt.
China: Taizong and Sun Yat-sen.
Egypt: Hatshepshut and Ramesses.
England: Elizabeth and Churchill.
France: Luis XIV and Napoleon.
Germany: Frederick II and Bismarck.
Greece: Pericles and Alexander.
India: Akbar and Gandhi.
Rome: Julius Caesar and Augustus.
Russia: Catherine and Lenin.
 
Synth said:
I'll go with 20 civs. Wasn't that how many we had in Civ V?

Arabia:
No idea.

America:
Theodore Roosevelt. I'd go with Lincoln, but Teddy was on the trailer, so...

Aztecs:
Montezuma.

Babylon:
Hammurabi.

Brazil:
I don't really think Brazil will be in the Vanilla, but I'd love it to be. Lead by Getúlio Vargas, of course.

China:
Qin Shihuan. I hope it'll be Mao, but I don't think they'll do that.

England:
Either Churchill or Victoria. I'd be disappointed to see Elizabeth again.

Egypt:
No idea. Cleopatra, maybe?

France:
I wish for Joan D'Arc, but I think they'll go either with Napoleon or Louis XIV/XVI

Germany:
Wilhem II.

Greece:
Pericles, maybe?

India:
Gandhi, of course. Can't have a Civ without him.

Japan:
No idea who'd lead it.

Ottomans:
No idea.

Persia:
Uh... Xerxes?

Poland:
No idea.

Portugal:
D. Sebastian, of course.

Rome:
We had Augustus on V, so I guess it'll be Julius.

Russia:
LENIN, PLEASE. Or Stalin. If they're not gonna go communist, Ivan IV.

Zulus:
No idea.
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I hope you mean at least Wilhelm I. D:
 
benjamin28 said:
It would be great!

But I gotta say: not every civ should have more than one leader; just the ones with several facets that could not be suitably represented by one person. For example, Japan could have Tokugawa (with a military flavor) and Meiji (scientific and industrious) as leaders.
Other suggestions:

America: Lincoln and Roosevelt.
China: Taizong and Sun Yat-sen.
Egypt: Hatshepshut and Ramesses.
England: Elizabeth and Churchill.
France: Luis XIV and Napoleon.
Germany: Frederick II and Bismarck.
Greece: Pericles and Alexander.
India: Akbar and Gandhi.
Rome: Julius Caesar and Augustus.
Russia: Catherine and Lenin.
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What I would love to see is this: when you pick a civilization you can also pick what state you want to represent.
For example if you pick the Greek civilization you have choose to pick Athens, Sparta or Macedonia.
 
I'll buck the trend that exists for some reason - let's have way more civs. A ton more. Not only is there no reason the Shoshone should be excluded, but neither should the hundreds of civs we've added to V. And I'd much rather have more distinctive civs than the same civs over again with just different leaders (e.g., America with Lincoln, Washington, and a Roosevelt).
 
noto2 said:
No. Start with a smaller number, and make them all unique. Am I alone in wanting this?
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yes. Ignoring the bad BE choices, Civ games need a minimum of 16ish civs/leaders/whatever in the base game so that you can have replay ability. Being able to random the opponents and NOT get the same few over and over again means the game will be playable for longer - which is the point for Civ games.

JeszKar said:
What I would love to see is this: when you pick a civilization you can also pick what state you want to represent.
For example if you pick the Greek civilization you have choose to pick Athens, Sparta or Macedonia.
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Macedonia is not Greece. :mischief:
 
Multiple rulers of the same Civ, but offering different bonuses, would be nice.

Having said that they appear to be tying so much more of the development of your Civ to geography, I wonder if they'll even have the same Civ bonuses as previous titles e.g. removing Naval/Coast tile bonuses because they channel the Civ into being a "coastal" one.
 
My guess is all the core civs that have been in every game:
America
Aztecs
Rome
England
Russia
Egypt
Germany
India
Greece
France
Mongols
Babylon
Zulu

Then probably also Persia, Japan. Two wild cards, one of which will probably be African and the other Native American-- I'll guess the Sioux and Nubia. For eighteen total.
 
Probably 18 as usual, and I'm sure they'll start with the same crop of big names we usually get - England, France, Germany, Russia, China, Japan, India, America, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Persia, Arabia and Aztecs. That leaves four to play with, which could be any combination of: Mongolia, Spain, the Incas, a native American group (possibly the Sioux), Babylon, the Ottomans (or Byzantium), and an African civ (Zulus, Mali or Ethiopia).

I'm sure it'll be a good mix. I just want there to be some variation among the leaders - maybe some leaders we haven't seen before, or for a long time? I'm into the idea of TR for America, and yawn at Elizabeth for England again - Victoria, please. And please, for heaven's sake, no bloody Alexander for Greece.

I'd also like them to stay away from silly choices - Joan of Arc is a ridiculous choice for France; she's much more appropriate as a great person than a ruler. (And remember that gaudy pink colour scheme in Civ III?) Wu Zetian added some variety to Civ V (and was one of only three female leaders in vanilla) but on a historical level the only reason we really care about her is because she was China's only female ruler in her own right; there were far better/more significant rulers in China's immense history.
 
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