Civ7 now includes Denuvo

[Nikolai II]

Oh my, looking up symbols on game manual pages......

Hated it.

 

[Kaan Boztepe]

my grief with DRMs in general is , i am a paying customer and as such i am entitled to a reasonably working game without any 3rd party programs running in the backgrounds. if i am not playing multiplayer or releasing mods why does my copy of the game need DRM? another point that makes me angry is when the DRM is cracked the pirated copies are without it and the game is arguably better for them the non paying customers. so why do I have to be punished for something that others do while the guilty get a better product? the whole industry needs a better method then this

 

[The_J]

Remember when we used to buy CDs and none of this was ever a problem?

I'd recommend you to look up all the issues Securom caused .

 

[TreVor_ish]

Oh, I remember the day Witcher II was released - preordered it. Could not play for 12h. CDRed thankfully did not add any in Witcher III.
Baldur's Gate III also do not have any, and it did rather fine.
No Man's Sky - dumpster fire of release, no DRM, and still after 8 years - free updates and Hello Games are doing fine.
What is 2k so afraid of (piracy my ass - CIV games have better numbers with every iteration) to force a Denuvo onto well established franchise like Civilization. Well, we will see.

 

[Linklite]

So the limited copies, is that strictly per day (IE 5 ie 24 hours, 10 in 48, 50 in 240) or is there a lifetime limit?

I'd also want confirmation that online is absolutely unnecessary after installation. I have enough headaches with Battlefront II denying me access to my paid for content that I'm basically allergic to that idea.

 

[Professor Phobo]

Online is unnecessary after installation - you'd have to use Steam Offline mode, but that's true of any Steam download.

As for the install limit, I don't know, I think that varies by publisher decision. It would be ridiculous not to allow repeated Steam downloads like (checks notes) every single Steam game I own.

 

[Klaus Hergersheimer]

Remember when you needed a paper wheel that totally didn't get ruined or lost often instead of modern DRM? I prefer this.

No but I was never into pc gaming growing up. I remember getting a game and putting in the cd key and that was it. but I guess other games weren't always like that.

 

[Brew God]

I remember all the ranting when Civ 6 came out and the PC players had to go through Steam. Everyone on this website was up in arms over it. Apparently with 8K + hours with the game....it hasn't affected me. I am sure Denuvo won't affect me playing Civ 7 either. Sounds like after a year it will be taken down.

Brew God

 

[Thormodr]

Not happy about Denuvo. It ends up punishing the honest people and it is extremely intrusive. Hopefully there will be enough pushback that they drop this. Maybe some cancelled preorders will get 2K Games to pay attention?

Now, at the moment, the choice is play it on PC with a crappy, intrusive, drm or iPad with no mods.

Great...

 

[Dale]

Nope. There are no “reports” of this so I don’t know what you’re referring to.

Empress was the only person cracking Denuvo but there’s no proof they’re arrested. Just an unsubstantiated rumor (which describes most of the accusations in this thread actually).

They posted about getting arrested in 2021 but they are known for posting trolling comments or stories, and they did crack games post-2021. They also said Irdeto offered to pay them $200,000 a month or something. Just a lot of random stories.

You have me in a catch-22 here. I could post links substantiating my comment, but that would get me banned. If I don't you get to say I'm full of it. What would you do?

 

[GeneralZift]

Not happy about Denuvo. It ends up punishing the honest people and it is extremely intrusive. Hopefully there will be enough pushback that they drop this. Maybe some cancelled preorders with get 2K Games to pay attention?

Now, at the moment, the choice is play it on PC with a crappy, intrusive, drm or iPad with no mods.

Great...

Well .... You could use get it on the Nintendo Switch on the PC if you know what I mean

 

[Kwami]

Sounds like after a year it will be taken down.

There is no evidence to suggest that Denuvo will ever be removed from Civ7. The only other Firaxis game that uses Denuvo still has it almost two years after release.

 

[canadamufc]

Malpractice - no.
Predatory business model - yes.
But not because DRM is being used, but because information of it's addition is being presented over a week after preorder option was open.

BTW a lot about Empress is hearsay.

Agreed. Incredibly scummy.

 

[Gedemon]

Online is unnecessary after installation - you'd have to use Steam Offline mode, but that's true of any Steam download.

That part needs clarification I think

Denuvo - PCGamingWiki PCGW - bugs, fixes, crashes, mods, guides and improvements for every PC game

www.pcgamingwiki.com

A consequence of its use of unique hardware-based code paths, Denuvo Anti-Tamper requires an online connection periodically as the system environment of the operating system changes with new hardware and/or Windows updates. While everything that might invalidate the token stored on the storage drive is not fully known, this happens frequently enough for the anti-tamper protection to be described as requiring a periodic online connection every fortnight or so. This is generally not an issue or hindrance for those with an always present online connection, but can be an annoyance for people primarily using roaming data. Players gaming offline for a long period of time can also suffer if proper preparations are not made in advance to ensure the validity of the offline token. The lack of transparency on storefronts regarding this process from Denuvo Anti-Tamper is a hindrance for potential purchasers, as it means people might not be aware of its presence and periodic online requirement before purchasing a game that, after purchase, the purchaser may find unplayable when an online connection is unavailable.

 

[TreVor_ish]

Agreed. Incredibly scummy.

Which brings me back to my wondering about this being a test about people behavior.
They 100% knew Denuvo will be added and kept it before launching preorders.
They 100% knew there will be some traction after this comes out.
Now what kind of player base disapproval it will be - that will determine if it's even worth it to keep it.
I'm 100% against any kind of piracy and I do buy any media I think would be of my interest.

I already said this won't have any kernel access.
I said it will obfuscate code (which may also harm modding), and it will have an impact on usage, if hardware changes occur. (or environment in case of proton on linux)
Would people care? I don't know....

 

[Linklite]

That part needs clarification I think

Denuvo - PCGamingWiki PCGW - bugs, fixes, crashes, mods, guides and improvements for every PC game

www.pcgamingwiki.com

A consequence of its use of unique hardware-based code paths, Denuvo Anti-Tamper requires an online connection periodically as the system environment of the operating system changes with new hardware and/or Windows updates. While everything that might invalidate the token stored on the storage drive is not fully known, this happens frequently enough for the anti-tamper protection to be described as requiring a periodic online connection every fortnight or so. This is generally not an issue or hindrance for those with an always present online connection, but can be an annoyance for people primarily using roaming data. Players gaming offline for a long period of time can also suffer if proper preparations are not made in advance to ensure the validity of the offline token. The lack of transparency on storefronts regarding this process from Denuvo Anti-Tamper is a hindrance for potential purchasers, as it means people might not be aware of its presence and periodic online requirement before purchasing a game that, after purchase, the purchaser may find unplayable when an online connection is unavailable.

Thank you. This is useful, and depending on what the process is, indicative that it might be a problem. For whatever reason, my Battlefront game insists on connecting to EA before letting me use the various customisation options I paid for...and often the connection doesn't work, meaning I have to play without or spend up to half an hour trying to get to get it to work.

I really don't want that experience again for a paid game. I don't mind if it's just a background thing that can happen whenever and so I never notice...but if I have anything like a similar experience to BF2, then that would be enough to out me off the franchise.

 

[bv98132454]

Which brings me back to my wondering about this being a test about people behavior.
They 100% knew Denuvo will be added and kept it before launching preorders.
They 100% knew there will be some traction after this comes out.
Now what kind of player base disapproval it will be - that will determine if it's even worth it to keep it.
I'm 100% against any kind of piracy and I do buy any media I think would be of my interest.

I already said this won't have any kernel access.
I said it will obfuscate code (which may also harm modding), and it will have an impact on usage, if hardware changes occur. (or environment in case of proton on linux)
Would people care? I don't know....

Steam should have a policy that if a DRM is announced after pre-orders open all pre-orders are cancelled and refunded automatically. There is no way conditions changed in a week that necessitated the addition of a DRM, they knew that it would be included.

 

[Kwami]

Which brings me back to my wondering about this being a test about people behavior.
They 100% knew Denuvo will be added and kept it before launching preorders.
They 100% knew there will be some traction after this comes out.
Now what kind of player base disapproval it will be - that will determine if it's even worth it to keep it.
I'm 100% against any kind of piracy and I do buy any media I think would be of my interest.

I already said this won't have any kernel access.
I said it will obfuscate code (which may also harm modding), and it will have an impact on usage, if hardware changes occur. (or environment in case of proton on linux)
Would people care? I don't know....

And they added the Denuvo requirement on a Friday before a long weekend, probably hoping that most of us wouldn't notice or that we'd cool down before they got back to work on Tuesday. Scummy all around.

 

[Dale]

Steam should have a policy that if a DRM is announced after pre-orders open all pre-orders are cancelled and refunded automatically. There is no way conditions changed in a week that necessitated the addition of a DRM, they knew that it would be included.

That is really not necessary. Cancelling a pre-order is as easy as a couple of clicks. End of the day it's only a small amount of people who would cancel over a change such as this. It would just be annoying for the 95% of people who don't care about Denuvo.

 

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