Civ7 now includes Denuvo

[Leyrann]

And it's still more expensive than other AAA games in Australia.

Yes, I get that.

But again.

They didn't put a higher price tag on the game than other AAA games do. They just used a less forgiving method of currency conversion.

And yes, 'less forgiving' is the right way to put it. If I put 70 euros to Australian dollars in the live currency conversion on google, I get 113,41 AUD, just a smidge below the halfway point between 110 and 120 AUD. And you know what's more? Back in August, the conversion was slightly more euro-favored still, and got all the way to 117,40 AUD.

You could just as wel argue that Australians are receiving a discount on games like Fifa, as that they have to pay extra on Civilization - it's about even between the two.

 

[Trav'ling Canuck]

In Canadian dollars, on Steam its:

C$89.99 Civ 7 basic (in Euros at current FX rate = Euro 59.78)
C$129.99 Civ 7 Deluxe (= Euro 86.35)
C$166.99 Civ 7 Founders (= Euro 110.93)

Top-Sellers:

C$93.49 Dragon Ball: Sparking! Zero (= Euro 62.09)
C$93.49 Metaphor ReFantazio (= Euro 62.09)
C$93.49 Silent Hill (= Euro 62.09)
C$79.99 Warhammer 40,000: Space Marines 2 (= Euro 53.012)

 

[Gorbles]

And it's still more expensive than other AAA games in Australia.

Beers in Sydney are more expensive than I can even find them in London. Currency is weird like that. Imports and exports too.

But this doesn't seem to have much of anything to do with Denuvo?

 

[Shirotora Kenshin]

Fxs had a great strategy of revealing Civ7… the scandalous civ-switching mechanic straight at the beginning, so that people can get used to it, and now they are revealing gorgeous looking stuff so my ice-wall got some serious cracks in the meantime.

IF they remove Denuvo, i would be willing to give 7 a fair chance, but only then. No Denuvo-support from me, and this is not going to change.

 

[Dale]

New study being published in peer-reviewed journal January next year: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1875952124002532

Study shows Denuvo can protect revenue in the initial 12 week period:

The results suggest that Denuvo does protect legitimate sales to an estimated mean of 15 percent of total revenue and median of 20 percent, but there is little justification to employ Denuvo long-term (i.e. for more than three months), especially given that Denuvo can have negative technical side effects and is generally disliked by users.

Interesting the study notes "negative technical side effects" and "generally disliked by users". This study does not go into the question of how many sales are lost due to the negative view of Denuvo, just looks at change in sales patterns based on what week a Denovo game has cracked and made available on piracy sites.

I originally saw this here: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2024...-percent-of-revenue-according-to-a-new-study/

I believe this addresses my question of wanting to see relevant independent study as promised by Denuvo. They might have delivered, I'll give them that.

 

[GeoGeo]

New study being published in peer-reviewed journal January next year: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1875952124002532

Study shows Denuvo can protect revenue in the initial 12 week period:



Interesting the study notes "negative technical side effects" and "generally disliked by users". This study does not go into the question of how many sales are lost due to the negative view of Denuvo, just looks at change in sales patterns based on what week a Denovo game has cracked and made available on piracy sites.

I originally saw this here: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2024...-percent-of-revenue-according-to-a-new-study/

I believe this addresses my question of wanting to see relevant independent study as promised by Denuvo. They might have delivered, I'll give them that.

Here's a key line:

When Denuvo survives for at least 12 weeks, piracy leads to nearly zero total revenue loss on average.

So taking this study entirely at face value, the standard operating procedure should be for publishers to include Denuvo and then pull it after exactly 12 weeks.

If someone at Firaxis uses this to advocate for the cause, then perhaps May 6th will be a day to celebrate...

 

[Shirotora Kenshin]

So taking this study entirely at face value, the standard operating procedure should be for publishers to include Denuvo and then pull it after exactly 12 weeks.

If someone at Firaxis uses this to advocate for the cause, then perhaps May 6th will be a day to celebrate...

Yep, that would be really cool and indeed a reason to celebrate. I‘m going to repeat it one last time: If Denuvo is removed, then i can live with all other stuff, due to my love for Civilization. If they remove Denuvo 3 months after release, then i would buy Civ7.

Let‘s hope that we indeed will have such a day to celebrate.
I can imagine i would celebrate with a pizza, a pepsi, and a certain purchase (Civ7).

 

[Shirotora Kenshin]

Oh man… today i realized something. I’m saying i refuse to buy Civ7 all the time because of Denuvo, but was playing TW Three Kingdoms without knowing that it has also Denuvo DRM… this is sick. TW Pharaoh also has Denuvo. So now, what to do?

I can live with Denuvo on my current 11-years old PC, because i already do without knowing, but i will not support that stuff on my new PC, which i can buy next year. Sick.

I just didn‘t know that little fact about my TW titles.
I‘ll definitely keep my future PC clean of that stuff. Sad.

 

[Riconatic]

Oh man… today i realized something. I’m saying i refuse to buy Civ7 all the time because of Denuvo, but was playing TW Three Kingdoms without knowing that it has also Denuvo DRM… this is sick. TW Pharaoh also has Denuvo. So now, what to do?

I can live with Denuvo on my current 11-years old PC, because i already do without knowing, but i will not support that stuff on my new PC, which i can buy next year. Sick.

I just didn‘t know that little fact about my TW titles.
I‘ll definitely keep my future PC clean of that stuff. Sad.

Keep clean of this stuff? Denuvo anti-tamper (drm-version) has not "dirtied" your computer any way. Just uninstall the games and denuvo is gone. It is not virus or malware which infects your computer.

 

[Shirotora Kenshin]

Keep clean of this stuff? Denuvo anti-tamper (drm-version) has not "dirtied" your computer any way. Just uninstall the games and denuvo is gone. It is not virus or malware which infects your computer.

I meant to say i will avoid buying games with Denuvo in the future, also not installing games i already bought - on the new PC next year. I also think about uninstalling those games on my old potato PC. That‘s it.

 

[Vincent_lacruz]

I meant to say i will avoid buying games with Denuvo in the future, also not installing games i already bought - on the new PC next year. I also think about uninstalling those games on my old potato PC. That‘s it.

So, you had games running Denuvo, and it was so impactfull on the program or your computer you never noticed it? So why are you so mad at it???

 

[Leyrann]

I meant to say i will avoid buying games with Denuvo in the future, also not installing games i already bought - on the new PC next year. I also think about uninstalling those games on my old potato PC. That‘s it.

Why would you ban yourself from playing a game you've already played for just because it has a... 'feature', for lack of a better word, that you do not like, but does not interfere with the enjoyment you get from playing?

Just in case you've missed it despite the fifty times it's been mentioned in this thread: Denuvo Anti-Tamper is not Denuvo Anti-Cheat. Denuvo Anti-Cheat is a separate program on a computer with very far-reaching access. Denuvo Anti-Tamper, however, is not a separate program, but rather a component added to the .exe of a program by the developer of that program.

 

[Shirotora Kenshin]

So, you had games running Denuvo, and it was so impactfull on the program or your computer you never noticed it? So why are you so mad at it???

It‘s my decision to say no to Denuvo, and everyone needs to respect that, or at the very least accept that. It‘s not my job to explain it. Simple fact.
No need to play the missionary for Denuvo-games or something like that

 

[Riconatic]

It‘s my decision to say no to Denuvo, and everyone needs to respect that, or at the very least accept that. It‘s not my job to explain it. Simple fact.
No need to play the missionary for Denuvo-games or something like that

If you are not interested discussing about it then there is very little point going to discussion forums to tell about it? No?

 

[Dale]

If you are not interested discussing about it then there is very little point going to discussion forums to tell about it? No?

Except to make it visible to 2k why you are not going to purchase their game, and try and change their mind (or at least get them to remove it at the 3 month mark).

 

[Riconatic]

Except to make it visible to 2k why you are not going to purchase their game, and try and change their mind (or at least get them to remove it at the 3 month mark).

My experience in life is that going against something without any reason or willing to discuss it have about zero effect.

 

[Patine]

My experience in life is that going against something without any reason or willing to discuss it have about zero effect.

He obviously has reasons - good enough for him - but you feel they are insufficient, by your standards, and should be declared invalid, publicly on this forum. Or so it seems.

 

[Dale]

My experience in life is that going against something without any reason or willing to discuss it have about zero effect.

My experience is different, therefore your experience is invalid. (I mean really, that's actually what you're saying )

I also have reasons that I do not want any form of Denuvo on my computer. Either anti-tamper OR anti-cheat.

 

[Shirotora Kenshin]

My experience in life is that going against something without any reason or willing to discuss it have about zero effect.

You know, i already explained my reasons a few weeks ago in exactly this thread here… but i don‘t want to repeat myself or discuss about it… i mean, i have my reasons, and you need to live with that. Every child understands that actually. If people just would be willing to respect eachother, instead of acting like they want others to stand there as idiots…
but i got no problem with being called the idiot, if it makes others feel better.

I see no point in discussions like that. Therefore i‘m not interested in that.
And therefore i‘m out of this, with one last sentence: I still refuse to accept Denuvo.

 

[Leyrann]

My experience is different, therefore your experience is invalid. (I mean really, that's actually what you're saying )

I also have reasons that I do not want any form of Denuvo on my computer. Either anti-tamper OR anti-cheat.

What are those reasons in the case of anti-tamper? Because as mentioned before, I don't see how anti-tamper could negatively affect things other than maybe the performance of the game itself.