JohnnyW, I can agree with your post above in that I too find it interesting that the Civ5 forums are trying, to some degree, to get all the rants out of the mainstream and into special threads of their own. In all fairness, though, one can understand this for the sake of those that do like Civ5 and wish to post threads without them always becoming an ideological battle over the game's shortcomings. In fact, just this situation if taken by itself is very much proof positive that things are not right with Civ5 and I think Firaxis/2k Games, Civfanatic's Forums as well as a great many fans are all very much aware of it even if some won't concede it. In addition, I have my doubts about any CivVI. You're looking at a time of perhaps four years from now if anything such as that will go into developement at all. I feel that if they did indeed produce another PC Civilization game, it will not be a part of the CivIII-Civ5 line but maybe something disassociated from the traditional Civ series so as to avoid the comparison. Something else to consider is that four years from now, CivIV will be ten years old and most of its fans will no longer be in the age range that 2k Games seems to now regard as their primary market. Agreed, one of the things I've found quite refreshing about revisiting some of the other PC game companies like Paradox Interactive and purchasing some of their products is an absence of Steam/DRM. I was quite amazed when I installed and played EU:Rome that I didn't even need to have the DVD in the drive when starting the game. About the only restriction I find is that one must register the game in order to download or post user created content on their forums, but I find that not the least bit entangling or invasive.