Civilization 5 Rants Thread

[Rub'Rum]

I think DLC is a good concept if it's not ridiculously priced. I buy DLC when it's on special and compares to the value I would have paid for this stuff in an expansion pack.

I have over 50 games that could have DLC, I only bought DLC for like a handful of them, and only when it was on special. I put the worth of a single Civ at about 2$ or so, which, if you think of it, is about what it's worth in a great expansion like Beyond the Sword.

So yeah, the concept of games evolving slowly over time in exchange for a bit of money, not too much of a problem. I am an old-school gamer and have come to term with this to some extent. However, the prices are outrageous and unacceptable.

 

[Gorgo]

All I ask is for people to admit it's a matter of opinion. I make no claims that civ 5 is superior to civ 4, only that I prefer it. I have also played Civilization for many, many years, and my opinion is as valid as anyones.

You're more than welcome to disagree. But given that speaking out against the facile rip-off that is Civ V is verboten outside of this one thread, perhaps you're in the wrong place?

Most things are a matter of opinion when you boil it all down. Your opinion is perfectly valid in amongst all the other places you have to post about how great the game is. Again, those that don't like it are mainly based here.
To come to this thread and act indignantly because not many people agree with you is slightly futile, wouldn't you say?

It's like going to a synagogue during a service, standing on a chair, and shouting as loud as you can that you're a Christian, and you're perfectly entitled to be.

We get it. We just don't collectively care, if I may speak for everyone in the thread (slightly presumptuous I know).

 

[chazzycat]

You are absolutely right. Somewhere another thread got merged into this one and for some reason I kept arguing. I have now unsuscribed. Thank you and good day.

 

[uat2d]

It's like going to a synagogue during a service, standing on a chair, and shouting as loud as you can that you're a Christian, and you're perfectly entitled to be.

That's class-A trolling, just like in this video!

<snip>

Moderator Action: Link containing foul language removed.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Camikaze]

Moderator Action: Okay, enough with the bickering. This thread is for rants about the game, not about other members or groups of members.

 

[mtrein]

You are absolutely right. Somewhere another thread got merged into this one and for some reason I kept arguing. I have now unsuscribed. Thank you and good day.

Buh-bye

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

You know, if I gotta be a 100% honest, the only real reason I like civ 5 is this
*Amazing Leaderheads (Love that you feel you visit them, full screen
*Hex and No Stacking, that was the only thing I truly had issues getting used to in Civ IV and III, because A.I would just stack and stack and stack and I usually focused on "buildilng" improvements than building an army I rarely used.
*Social Policies
*achievements

That's it, the "amazing" graphic is not so amazing since my computer can't run it very well, the paid DLC is somewhat of a disappointment (especially considering we got Mongolia for free)

Scenarios are completely hard and "too rushy" (100 turns? really?)

The Diplomatic Victory, Science Victory lacks it former glory (Space Race with only like 5 ot 6 parts? Diplomatic Victory SUCKS, all you have to do is ally yourself with the City States.

For some reason the Tech Tree seems to be lacking something for me, too few technologies

and I do miss religion and random events too :/ but at the same time I enjoy Tile and Unit Purchasing, it does help in a way)

 

[kcd_swede]

For some reason the Tech Tree seems to be lacking something for me, too few technologies

My issue with the tech tree is that there are too few choices/trade-offs to be made (and the optimal ones seem unintentional by the game designer as the patches have tried to nerf the obvious "abuses"). For example, if you are going diplomacy or culture, its globalization you need, meaning you need almost every tech. Science victory, its (I forget... fusion?) and you still need almost everything. The only reason you'd go for the military techs at the upper end of the tree is if you want a late-game domination (or need to war late to stop an AI from a victory). So every game looks the same... you have to get essentially the same techs, and the order is varied almost never. Too few trade-offs make for too few game progression variations, making poor re-playability.

 

[Roxlimn]

True, for larger cities that is.

If by "larger," you mean "anything greater than pop 5," then I agree. Even then, puppeting is only a short-term solution. You eventually want to annex everything, unless you're just going for a fast dom win.

The reason is because puppeted cities are stuck on "Gold Focus," which means that they grow poorly and build poorly, all game long. 4 GPT is more than a fair price for a city which will pull in more than that value just because it's building something worthwhile at a decent pace.

 

[jtb1127]

With the newly arrived announcement for two spankin DLCs, I have nothing to offer but my middle finger.

Downloadable Content For This Game
$4.99
Sid Meier’s Civilization V: Babylon (Nebuchadnezzar II)
Cha-Ching!
$2.99
Civilization V: Cradle of Civilization - Mediterranean
Cha-Ching!
$2.99
Civilization V: Cradle of Civilization - Asia
Cha-Ching!
$2.99
Civilization V: Cradle of Civilization - Americas
Cha-Ching!
$2.99
Civilization V: Cradle of Civilization - Mesopotamia
Cha-Ching!
$7.49
Double Civilization and Scenario Pack: Spain and Inca
Cha-Ching!
$4.99
Civilization and Scenario Pack: Polynesia
Cha-Ching!
$4.99
Civilization and Scenario Pack: Denmark - The Vikings
Cha-Ching!
$4.99
Civilization V: Explorer’s Map Pack
Cha-Ching!

$7.49 for both Korea and Wonders of the Ancient World (or buy one of them for $4.99)

Sum total for all of the separate DLCs (with the exception for special deals or buying some of them in packages) is around $$$$ 49.39 US Dollars!!! Add that to the damned game ($49.99 US Dollars) =

$ 99.39

Great post, I'll use it as reference in the future!

 

[PieceOfMind]

Sorry but the 99.39 figure is misleading.

It's unrealistic for someone to buy all DLCs but deliberately buy them all separately. For instance no one would buy both the Korea and Ancient Wonders DLC for $5 each if they can get the two for $7.50. There are similar bundles for the 4 map packs and the explorer's map pack + Denmark DLC. The true non-discounted figure is closer to $91.90.

If you were to wait for a 66% sale on Steam (which happened on July 21 but obviously not including the Korea+Wonders DLC), that'd make the grand total of

34% of $91.90 or about $31.25.

 

[Iranon]

WHEN did we give our middle fingers though? Civ5-type DLC costs sod all to make compared to the main game and will turn a profit even if only a few compulsive hoarders buy it.
Simply avoiding the DLC itself is neutral behaviour, actively voting against it with your wallet would require to not buy the main game because you don't like/trust the distribution policy.

If supporters of the model act on their preferences while critics overwhelmingly don't, it's here to stay.
Sadly, it may be here to stay even if it hurts the publisher: they may not realise it's the distribution strategy that hurt their sales, as opposed to 'insufficient streamlining to reach a wide audience'.

 

[Roxlimn]

Frankly, I don't why the DLC thing is bad. I mean, so don't buy it right away, right? Wait for the sale, right? Bought on sale, it's no more expensive that it ought to be, and you got it faster than some expansion pack. It's win-win, except for compulsive early adopters, which since we're all saying Civ 5 sucks, we shouldn't be.

Of course, that's reasonable. Is logic and reason okay here?

Civ 5 SUCKS!!!!
It's bad.
I hate the logo. Or banner. Or whatever.
Go Civ IV!

 

[Gorgo]

Frankly, I don't why the DLC thing is bad. I mean, so don't buy it right away, right? Wait for the sale, right? Bought on sale, it's no more expensive that it ought to be, and you got it faster than some expansion pack. It's win-win, except for compulsive early adopters, which since we're all saying Civ 5 sucks, we shouldn't be.

Of course, that's reasonable. Is logic and reason okay here?

Civ 5 SUCKS!!!!
It's bad.
I hate the logo. Or banner. Or whatever.
Go Civ IV!

You've got a point. I've looked at the DLC and I have not been moved to buy any of it, but that's a personal opinion of course.

So there's a third option - don't buy it at all...!

If they started charging for patches, or for making the game actually work properly, then I'd have an issue with it. The DLC just represents some chocolate sprinkles on a large turd. It's still a turd however much you augment it.

 

[Thormodr]

Lol at people suggesting people wait for steam sales to buy everything.

Sorry but this is the Fanatics website we are talking about.

Most blindly loyal Civ fans will snap up this crap as soon as it's available.

If you want to justify crappy DLC by saying it's good value because you can wait till it has gone on sale, you could easily say that Warlords or BTS is even better value if you had waited for it to go on sale.

We are almost up to $100 and we still have a very poor game. A few more DLCs and we'll have cIV + Warlords + BTS! Talk about a tremendous ripoff.

 

[PieceOfMind]

Most blindly loyal Civ fans will snap up this crap as soon as it's available.

That looks pretty easy to say when it's probably how you define a blindly loyal fan.

Consider that my comment may be targeted not at those people, but instead the people who don't categorise themselves as blindly loyal civ fans.

 

[Thormodr]

That looks pretty easy to say when it's probably how you define a blindly loyal fan.

Consider that my comment may be targeted not at those people, but instead the people who don't categorise themselves as blindly loyal civ fans.

Certainly. However, those same fans would have bought the expansions for cIV after waiting for them to come down in price as well.

So, what I am saying is that the Civilization 5 DLC are still a bad value compared to what we used to get and we as a community shouldn't put up with it.

I do agree 100% that it's a wise strategy to wait these days. Especially for game releases as they are invariably unpolished and bug ridden.

I do of course know all about buying things when they first hit the market and I'm reforming myself of the habit.

 

[Brichals]

Certainly. However, those same fans would have bought the expansions for cIV after waiting for them to come down in price as well.

So, what I am saying is that the Civilization 5 DLC are still a bad value compared to what we used to get and we as a community shouldn't put up with it.

I do agree 100% that it's a wise strategy to wait these days. Especially for game releases as they are invariably unpolished and bug ridden.

I do of course know all about buying things when they first hit the market and I'm reforming myself of the habit.

Agree with that.

It's pretty much guaranteed that if you preorder a game now when it arrives it's nigh on unplayable. However if you wait a year then you are a total noob and can't get into multiplayer or so on as easily.

 

[Ashwind]

I do of course know all about buying things when they first hit the market and I'm reforming myself of the habit.

Amen to that.

 

[Roxlimn]

Thormodr:

Can't say I disagree. I haven't bought any DLC, so I'm putting my money where my mouth is, at least. That said, DLC allows Firaxis to milk the fanatics for DLC while the rest of us wait for the content at a cheaper price. There's nearly enough out in DLC now to constitute Warlords, and it's come out lightning fast. Where is the downside, and why is it bad for people who wait for the sale?