Civilization elimination thread

Arabia 26
Aztec 4
Babylon 25
Carthage 20
China 25
England 15
Ethiopia 11
Greece 15
Inca 31 + 1 = 32
Iroquois 10
Korea 26
Maya 22
Netherlands 19
Persia 16
Roman Empire 15 - 2 = 13
Russia 11
Siam 17

Inca + 1 because I like how the mountain bias make cities unbeatable fortresses. I just got an immortal OCC science Vic with them and the geography saved me numerous time. UA and UI are aweaome, UU kind of suck it still is a top tier civ.

Rome because i feel the start game is always frustrating as it is impossible to exploit both UU and build stuff in the cap at the same time. Still strong though.
 
Arabia 26
Aztec 4
Babylon 25
Carthage 20
China 25
England 15
Ethiopia 11
Greece 15
Inca 30 (-2) there strong but I dont know very meh for me i would prefer something with more flavor and perhaps a funner start bias.
Iroquois 10
Korea 26
Maya 22
Netherlands 19
Persia 16
Roman Empire 13
Russia 12 (+1) this civ definitely shouldn't be this far down i mean a civ that rewards more for a bunch of little iron mines than a few big ones. plus cheaper tiles from the krepost. plus a slightly upgraded cossack can take on a slightly damaged GWI. and don't get me started with dance of the aurora and mosques and holy warriors. all in all this civ is at least top 10.
Siam 17
 
Arabia 26
Aztec 4
Babylon 25
Carthage 20
China 25
England 15
Ethiopia 12
Greece 15
Inca 30
Iroquois 10
Korea 26
Maya 22
Netherlands 19
Persia 16
Roman Empire 13
Russia 10
Siam 17


Russia - ugly civ colour, weak ua, ub, uu, starting bias.
Ethiopia - religious advantage, combat advantage, great uu, plus your civ colours are almost the same as the barbarians.
 
Arabia 26
Aztec 4
Babylon 25
Carthage 20
China 25
England 15
Ethiopia 12
Greece 13
Inca 30
Iroquois 10
Korea 26
Maya 22
Netherlands 19
Persia 16
Roman Empire 13
Russia 10
Siam 18

Siam: Returning to my favourite again - still one of the game's very strongest civs, and the UA once again is exceptional in the post-G&K world where everyone can retain 30+ resting influence with any city-state without decay (as long as you don't mind antagonising anyone who bullies your protectorates).

Greece: Voted down for much the same reason - Greek UA reduction in influence loss is trivial where anyone can be permanent friends with a CS (except for a turn or two lost to election-rigging before the resting influence climbs back up to 30), and to use it to best effect demands reliance on getting a specific religious belief. Getting Siam's extra bonuses from that friendship are infinitely more valuable.

Babylon: There a good Civ but don't deserve to be that high up IMO. There UU is quickly made obsolete now with composite bowmen. The walls of Babylon are a good UB but not great. I also find that i generate a lot more science with Korea then them. Lastly is it just me or does the AI Nebuchadnezzar purposely try to avoid writing. I usually find him on king or emperor and by T65 I still can not get an embassy .
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He does. You'll also notice that you never see an Academy pop up around Babylon after he does get it. I think the strategy he's programmed to favour delays Writing as long as possible so that he can get the biggest bulb boost from rushing a tech. Since he doesn't use the Academy, that's actually better for him than rushing it to grab, say, Sailing. Why they don't just program him to use the Academy I don't know.
 
Arabia 26
Aztec 4
Babylon 25
Carthage 20
China 25
England 16
Ethiopia 12
Greece 11
Inca 30
Iroquois 10
Korea 26
Maya 22
Netherlands 19
Persia 16
Roman Empire 13
Russia 10
Siam 18
 
Why is China ranked so high? I think their UA is pretty terrible now, especially since GGs cant create golden ages.

I assume it's because of it's UB and UU?
 
Arabia 26
Aztec 4
Babylon 25
Carthage 20
China 25
England 16
Ethiopia 12
Greece 11
Inca 31
Iroquois 8
Korea 26
Maya 22
Netherlands 19
Persia 16
Roman Empire 13
Russia 10
Siam 18

Incans UA works over the whole map, not just in their own territory like the Iroquois.
 
Arabia 26
Aztec 4
Babylon 25
Carthage 20
China 25
England 16
Ethiopia 12
Greece 11
Inca 31
Iroquois 8 - 2 = 6 Yes they're powerful with the forest movement/trade routes and a good UU. But they just don't excite me at all and your start stop roads ending in your forests just makes things look terrible. I'm just fussy about the whole look thing and can't stand that.
Korea 26
Maya 22
Netherlands 19
Persia 16
Roman Empire 13 + 1 = 14 Upvoting Rome. Maybe not my favorite civ or the most optimal/generally powerful. But their UA is useful and I love the Legion plus its building roads and forts ability freeing up your workers.
Russia 10
Siam 18
 
El Caballerion said:
Why is China ranked so high? I think their UA is pretty terrible now, especially since GGs cant create golden ages.

I assume it's because of it's UB and UU?
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Well, I rarely play China, but both UB and UU are indeed very strong.
Remember: GGs can now culture bomb. Grabbing an AI lux or strategic ressource can be a really good use for them. I recently stole 8 uranium from Alexander with a GG, an 10 oil from Isabella another one. ;)

Edit: JMLOng posted, but another fellow was faster. Corrected version for his post:

Arabia 26
Aztec 4
Babylon 25
Carthage 20
China 25
England 16
Ethiopia 12
Greece 11
Inca 31
Iroquois 6
Korea 26
Maya 22
Netherlands 19
Persia 16
Roman Empire 14
Russia 10
Siam 18
 
Arabia 26
Aztec 4
Babylon 25
Carthage 20
China 25
England 16
Ethiopia 10
Greece 12
Inca 31
Iroquois 6
Korea 26
Maya 22
Netherlands 19
Persia 16
Roman Empire 14
Russia 10
Siam 18

Still fighting for Greece, a great opponent if spawned next to you. Who cares if their UA is weaker in G&K (it was good in vanilla), that has nothing to do with Greece being aggressive and overwhelming you.

Ever since they announced Ethiopia, I never liked that a UA is predicated upon the number of AI cities. The number of cities has little to do with the power of a civ or who is strongest.
 
Buccaneer said:
Arabia 26
Aztec 2
Babylon 25
Carthage 20
China 25
England 17
Ethiopia 10
Greece 12
Inca 31
Iroquois 6
Korea 26
Maya 22
Netherlands 19
Persia 16
Roman Empire 14
Russia 10
Siam 18

The thing about Aztecs I don't like is that their UB requires a lake which i rarely find in a good place to settle (and if so, there's only one tile of it), and their UA pushes me to constantly war to make use of it, which is really offputting to me.

England get's my bump this time for the sea love. It's great how they can use the ocean as basically super roads, with that movement bonus. With the commerce policy and great lighthouse (either build or capture), and dear god I would not like to face these people on the seas. The spy is also a nice feature :)
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Aztec 2
Babylon 26
Carthage 20
China 25
England 17
Ethiopia 10
Greece 12
Inca 31
Iroquois 6
Korea 26
Maya 22
Netherlands 19
Persia 16
Roman Empire 12
Russia 10
Siam 18

Babs bowmen are often said to be obsolete too quick and I can see that but I also see that instead of them being obsolete they help you not need to get to Construction until later. I can use them into the eras while others took earlier time to get to comp bowmen. And 200g vs 320 for only 2 more ranged str is nice to rush buy then upgrade as many as possible for less cost. You get to focus on the other tech paths before catching up through construction later than otherwise.

My down votes are tough here. I like most of these civs a lot and right now the choice is between Greece and Rome. I think i will go Rome this time. Legion are on the sword path and i rarely play that tech path early and as an AI they are quite mean. (but I do like ballista's quite a bit.) I either have to take extra resources to friend them early at the cost of being at odds with the rest of the civs or just deal with them. either way they irritate me, on par with greece's random craziness/unpredictability.
 
If were still not counting votes without reasons shouldn't it look like this:

Aztec 2
Babylon 26
Carthage 20
China 25
England 16
Ethiopia 10
Greece 14
Inca 31
Iroquois 6
Korea 26
Maya 22
Netherlands 19
Persia 16
Roman Empire 12
Russia 10
Siam 18
 
El Caballerion said:
Why is China ranked so high? I think their UA is pretty terrible now, especially since GGs cant create golden ages.

I assume it's because of it's UB and UU?
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I like their UA because I like to use the GG's to surround their last city with citadels, after puppetting or razing the rest of their cities. Effectively neutralizes them without getting the really bad warmongering diplo hit, and if you leave them 1 city with horrible placement they can never be a bother again. Especially love doing this to Bismark and Alex, since they usually come for me so early.
 
Aztec 3
Babylon 26
Carthage 20
China 25
England 17
Ethiopia 10
Greece 12
Inca 31
Iroquois 6
Korea 26
Maya 22
Netherlands 19
Persia 16
Roman Empire 12
Russia 10
Siam 18

It looks that I'm in minority, but Aztec are still a flavourful civ for me to play. UA is fun and I love Floating gardens - great building for OCC.

The Greece otoh are bland. UA is passive and boring and pretty useless in G&K. And I stated my dislike for having both UU from the same era already.
 
Aztec 1
Babylon 26
Carthage 21
China 25
England 17
Ethiopia 10
Greece 12
Inca 31
Iroquois 6
Korea 26
Maya 22
Netherlands 19
Persia 16
Roman Empire 12
Russia 10
Siam 18

I really just don't like the Aztecs.

I love the free Harbors in each city and I like the UUs.
 
Awsome Sause said:
post # 685
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okay. corrected for a couple people who missed these adjustments.

Aztec 1
Babylon 26
Carthage 21
China 25
England 16
Ethiopia 10
Greece 12
Inca 31
Iroquois 6
Korea 26
Maya 22
Netherlands 19
Persia 16
Roman Empire 12
Russia 10
Siam 18
 
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