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Civilizations in Civ 5: Europe

Discussion in 'Civ - Ideas & Suggestions' started by Optimizer, Jun 11, 2008.

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What European civilizations do you want to see in Civ 5?

  1. England

    112 vote(s)
    73.7%
  2. Norway

    26 vote(s)
    17.1%
  3. Sweden

    45 vote(s)
    29.6%
  4. Finland

    20 vote(s)
    13.2%
  5. Denmark

    34 vote(s)
    22.4%
  6. Vikings

    75 vote(s)
    49.3%
  7. Poland

    55 vote(s)
    36.2%
  8. Germany

    113 vote(s)
    74.3%
  9. Netherlands

    87 vote(s)
    57.2%
  10. France

    109 vote(s)
    71.7%
  11. Spain

    109 vote(s)
    71.7%
  12. Portugal

    90 vote(s)
    59.2%
  13. Rome

    104 vote(s)
    68.4%
  14. Italy

    42 vote(s)
    27.6%
  15. Celts

    77 vote(s)
    50.7%
  16. Holy Roman Empire

    43 vote(s)
    28.3%
  17. Austria

    53 vote(s)
    34.9%
  18. Hungary

    41 vote(s)
    27.0%
  19. Russia

    109 vote(s)
    71.7%
  20. Romania

    19 vote(s)
    12.5%
  21. Yugoslavia

    24 vote(s)
    15.8%
  22. Greece

    106 vote(s)
    69.7%
  23. Byzantine Empire

    78 vote(s)
    51.3%
  24. Ottomans/Turkey

    106 vote(s)
    69.7%
  25. Other

    30 vote(s)
    19.7%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Deep Thought

    Deep Thought S.A.G.A.P.O

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    Why I don't think Italy should be a civ is because it's confusing and disturbing that there is both Rome and Italy. I rather think that when Rome reaches medival times, it should split up into Holy Roman Empire, Italy, Byzantium and Roman Germany.
     
  2. Italia

    Italia Chieftain

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    That is a great idea ;) !!!

    That's just what I mean, even if Italy doesn't become its own civilization, it should definitely get some kind of recognition, I think everyone can agree on that. :goodjob:
     
  3. deanej

    deanej Deity

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    Maybe for civ 5 dynamic civ names should be added. It could be Rome in the Ancient/Classical eras, then Byzantium in the Medieval/Renaissance eras, and Italy in the Industrial/Modern eras. A similar thing could be done for Germany (Germanic tribes, then Holy Roman Empire, then Germany).
     
  4. davidis.ca

    davidis.ca Chieftain

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    But Byzantium can be claimed by the Greeks to because for long part of its existence was a Greek empire rather than Latin/Italian
     
  5. RedRalph

    RedRalph Deity

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    Thats already how it is in RFC
     
  6. Optimizer

    Optimizer Sthlm, SWE

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    Interesting that the Ottomans/Turkey are so highly ranked, though they have never been an original civilization.
     
  7. Zenon_pt

    Zenon_pt Civing on the real world

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    Portugal - SIM. OF COURSE!!!
    England - Yes or for a better use British
    Vikings - Yes
    Germany - Ja
    Netherlands - Yes
    France - Oui
    Spain - Si. (I need someone to annihilate when I start a game) :lol:
    Rome - Yes
    Celts - Yes
    Russia - Yes
    Greece - Yes
    Ottomans/Turkey -Yes
    Other - Austria-Hungarain Empire and If the British doesn't appear, than the Scots.

    In doubt:
    Byzantium and Poland.
     
  8. Saim

    Saim King

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    England
    Yes - except it should be Britain instead (pre-British England and Scotland would be incorporated).

    Norway
    No. Only as Denmark-Norway.

    Sweden
    Maybe, if there is enough Asian/African representation.

    Finland
    No.

    Denmark
    Maybe, if there is enough Asian/African representation.

    Vikings
    Yes, but rename them the Norse Empire/Scandinavia, rather than the Viking Empire/Vikings. If this is in, then no Denmark or Sweden.

    Poland
    Maybe, if there is enough Asian/African representation.

    Germany
    Yes, and this time Austria and the HRE should be incorporated.

    Netherlands
    Yes.

    France
    Yes.

    Spain
    Yes.

    Portugal
    Yes.

    Rome
    Yes.

    Italy
    Maybe, if there is enough Asian/African representation.

    Celts
    Maybe, if there is enough Asian/African representation.

    Holy Roman Empire
    No, see Germany

    Austria
    No, see Germany.

    Hungary
    Maybe, if there is enough Asian/African representation.

    Russia
    Yes

    Romania
    No.

    Yugoslavia
    No. (And I'm quarter Serbian, eighth Slovene.)

    Greece
    Yes, but I would prefer the Athenians and Macedonians instead.

    Byzantine Empire
    I think it should really be part of Rome, but maybe it could be in if there is enough Asian/African representation.

    Ottomans/Turkey
    Yes - both European and Middle Eastern rep.

    Other
    Bulgars - Maybe, if there is enough Asian/African representation (not the Slavic Bulgarians who are descended from them, the Turkic Bulgars - I think this is what the guy that was suggesting a non-Slavic Bulgaria was getting at)
    Venice - Maybe, if there is enough Asian/African representation.
    An Andalusian state - Yes.
    Scotland, Ireland or Wales - No.
    Czechs - No.
    Kievan Rus - Yes.
    Khazaria - Yes.
     
  9. Magma_Dragoon

    Magma_Dragoon Reploid

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    I'd hardly call Italy a world power today. The streets of Naples are filled with garbage and the mafia controls 30% of the economy iirc. They could add an Itallian ice resource, I suppose. (That was mean :D )

    I demand Braveheart be added as a Celtic leader.
     
  10. AmazonQueen

    AmazonQueen Virago

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    No Italian civ but Venice yes please
     
  11. squid1111

    squid1111 Warlord

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    Bulgarrians!
    Reasons explained already.
     
  12. Vandal Warlord

    Vandal Warlord Nazgûl

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    I would love to see the Venitian Rebublic as for William Wallace, add a Scotland civ.
     
  13. Vandal Warlord

    Vandal Warlord Nazgûl

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    Civs I want to see:

    Scotland-
    Wales-
    Ireland-
    Engand-
    Denmark-
    Teutonic Order(was a major Military power from 13th to 14th century)-
    Sparta (not Greece, Sparta)-
    Greece***-
    Rome*-
    Spain-
    Portugal-
    Moors-
    Egypt-
    France-
    The Turks**-
    Kingdom of Jerusalem-
    Principality of Antioch-
    Macedonia-
    Sciliy-
    Poland-
    Hungary-
    Novgorod****-
    Keiv****-
    Lithuania-
    Venitian Republic-

    *= I would like to see Rome eventually be given the option to become the Byzantines or Holy Romans, then they eventually become Italy.
    **= The Turks would eventually become the Ottomans
    ***= Alexander the Great would not lead Greece.
    ****= Eventually Novgorod and Keiv will begiven the option of Becoming Russia.
     
  14. Zenon_pt

    Zenon_pt Civing on the real world

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    It's quite funny. Both England and Germany are ahead of the choises. (with 51)
    Then Spain and Greece with 50, France and Russia with 49.
     
  15. Séamas

    Séamas Warlord

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    As everyone one knows, Firaxis will continue toi use England (complete with St. George's Cross) to represent all of the UK. You can shout 'saoirse' all you want, Vandal Walord, but it's a proven fact that many Americans can't tell the difference between the UK and England.

    I'd love to see either an Irish or Scottish civ (preferably both), but it's just not going to happen, and if it is, it will be horribly cliché.
     
  16. Onagan

    Onagan The Dutch

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    England, Germany, France, Spain & Rome are the obvious ones. Netherlands, Portugal & Sweden are the lesser empires from Europe. But also important.

    I also voted for the Ottoman Empire, although it's a asian empire.

    damned, I forgot Greece (I didn't vote for it, my mistake)
     
  17. Onagan

    Onagan The Dutch

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    Yes the Ottoman Empires controlled over the South-East of Europe, and even their capital (1453-1922) was located in Europe, but that didn't make any difference, their are a asian empire, Russia has a lot of land in Asia, but is European.

    about the Turkey:
    I don't know where you in Europe live, but in mine observation, The Netherlands & Sweden, nobody considers Turks as European.

    about Scandinavia:
    I wouldn't like to see a generic Scandinavian Civ, it's like a adding Canada to the US. As someone posted in this thread you have the western part (Denmark-Norway) and the eastern part (Sweden-Finland).
    And yes there was a Kalmar union (1397-1523), but that was a bad experiment.
    And because Sweden has 9.2 million citizens, and Denmark only 5.5 I suggest that Sweden is a better choice for marketing point of view.

    Both countries had their dominance in Scandinavia, first the Danes, then the Swedes. I'm not that neutral to make a choice.
     
  18. Saim

    Saim King

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    That's just crazy! Yes, I can see Rus', Venice and Poland - but Lithuania? Scotland? The Teutonic Order? They weren't even a state! Or a people!

    Some of those civs (Egypt, Moors) are not European.

    And I would say the Moors weren't a single state, the Cordoba Caliphate, Grenada (the last remaining Islamic state on Iberia that created the Alhambra), the Almoravids and Almohads deserve to be in separately.
     
  19. Séamas

    Séamas Warlord

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    Ahem, the Kingdom of Scotland was founded in the Dark Ages after a union of Gaels and Picts and lasted until the first Act of Union.

    The High-Kingdom of Ireland was founded around 600-400 BC 9though they didn't really exercise their power until the restoration of the High-Kingship around 200 AD) and the last High-King died in 1198, with various High-Kings occasionaly exerting complete control over the whole island, and sometimes its colonies. Scottish kings even tried once to name themselves High-King and unite Ireland and Scotland in an attempt to crush England. (The last unofficial High-King was the brother of Robert the Bruce)

    These two countries existed, the Teutonic Knights can't be considered a civ, as they were an military offshoot of the Holy Roman Empire.
     
  20. Vandal Warlord

    Vandal Warlord Nazgûl

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    Yes Lituania,Scotland and the Teutonic Order!
    Lithuania:
    Lithuania was the last of the Pagan Kingdoms in Europe, so it would be nice to see one pagan nation.

    Scotland:
    Do I have to explain it?

    Teutonic Order:
    The Teutonic Order was a powerful militay state in the baltic, known for christienising(?) Lithaunia, and still exists today in Vienna, Austria.

    As for the Moors, why seperate them?
     

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