Class attitude

[MobBoss]

what about those two weeks when you werent working?

Thats not even long enough to collect unemployment. Point being I have always worked and provided for my family, and never been on welfare. If you are willing to work in the USA you can find a job. Period.

Now, if you want to make a lot of excuses....you get nada. Hard work pays off...lip service doesnt.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

You know, I have never had a car accident in my life. So this is possible for everyone. I say get rid of crumplezones, seatbelts and all other safety equipment on cars.

If a numbskull like me can drive without any accidents, everyone can.

 

[MobBoss]

You know, I have never had a car accident in my life. So this is possible for everyone. I say get rid of crumplezones, seatbelts and all other safety equipment on cars.

If a numbskull like me can drive without any accidents, everyone can.

You should get a rebate on your car insurance.

However, driving, being a skill, isnt quite like working a job. Some jobs dont take much skill, if any. So, your analogy is actually quite lame.

 

[scy12]

Finding a job could also be a skill you know ... Unless the place where you live has no unemployment whatsoever ,etc. Communist heaven.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

However, driving, being a skill, isnt quite like working a job. Some jobs dont take much skill, if any. So, your analogy is actually quite lame.

Driving being a skill is tested when you get your license. People without skill do not drive. So that's irrelevant. Jobs also have requirements you know. Not anyone can do any job.

edit: By the way, an analogy can work to clarify one aspect in a discussion. Analogies are never 100% alike, otherwise it wouldn't be an analogy. This time the aspect was: if something aplies to me, it aplies to anyone.

For that aspect my analogy works perfectly.

 

[Mise]

If you dont think I speak with strength and conviction you havent been listening very well.

No, it means you haven't been speaking with strength and conviction.

 

[MobBoss]

No, it means you haven't been speaking with strength and conviction.

rofl. /whatever mise. I havent been speaking at all...I have been typing. But you are one of the ones around here that would never recognize me for doing so regardless, so I think I will just have to recognize the bias in your opinion.

 

[MobBoss]

Driving being a skill is tested when you get your license. People without skill do not drive.

Some absolutely do. They drive illegally.

So that's irrelevant. Jobs also have requirements you know. Not anyone can do any job.

I will agree with you that not everyone can do every job. However, there are some jobs easy enough that the vast, vast majority of people can indeed do those jobs quite simply and abley.

 

[Mise]

I hate Margaret Thatcher. But she spoke passionately, there's no denying that. You're more like David Cameron. Not that you'd know the difference...

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

@MB: Since you quoted my post after I editted it, I assume you keep on missing the point for a reason.

 

[holy king]

denial is a fascinating mechanism...

 

[Sidhe]

denial is a fascinating mechanism...

I like the phrase ivory tower, I think I'll use it more often.

Still if this thread highlights anything it's that fortunately few people are under any illusion about how tough the working environment can be in the real world; whilst I don't live in a deprived area I know what that environment is like, because I have lived in such environments, and thus can speak about them with more authority than maybe some, and less than those living it day to day. I certainly wouldn't be so puerile as to judge them on the basis of my relative luxury as pitiful as it is. That would be ignorant.

 

[scy12]

A cummunist system is build on ideal that all should work hard and provide for the state which would then do the necessary to give everyone equal wages . They don't own property.

A capitalist system is build on the assumption that people that work more efficiently will get a better pay off. It also encourages it by spotting the talented people. A part of that working is also investment of private property. It does not translate always into working harder or for more hours although it can be a way to show efficiency.

It is not perfect but it allows an economy to grow in a faster rate than a communist system.

Efficiency which can also mean investments while being lazy is better than working hard in a job with no abilities to invest. But as this is not a communist system not everyone may be able to find a job.

Also working hard is not necessarilly the best thing of this system. Working efficiently is.
To do it you require to have some opportunities to do it and such opportunities are not always under your control. Now i imagine is hard to have the ability to predict that there are many efficient jobs for people to do which they choose not to , because they are lazy. That is just stupid.

and there is the issue that for 100 persons it is better for the 50 to do an efficient job and the other 50 to do nothing than all 100 to do an inefficient job. Unless there is a demand of the economy for such jobs. In that case i recommend a wage increase for such jobs.

But since this happens naturally in an economy then there may just not be any demand for jobs everyone can make. Because it is not a communist system which is inefficient by nature.

In conclusion Efficiency is all and now there is unemployment due to the condition of the economy.

 

[Sidhe]

I think a mixture of both is a perfect system. Socialism and Conservatism. But then I would I am a liberal.

I think we know how systems work, I think I'm more interested in how the minds of some people work, than how the working place really works per se. Which is kind of the point.

 

[scy12]

Yes i am just saying that he claims everyone can find a job when the economy it self has not created enough job positions for everyone. If it currently had done it under those economic conditions , on purpose (by the goverment) it would become a more communist system .
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[Mise]

Yes i am just saying that he claims everyone can find a job when the economy it self has not created enough job positions for everyone. If it currently had done it under those economic conditions , on purpose (by the goverment) it would become a more communist system .
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You mean like jobs in the military?

 

[Sidhe]

Yes i am just saying that he claims everyone can find a job when the economy it self has not created enough job positions for everyone. If it currently had done it under those economic conditions , on purpose (by the goverment) it would become a more communist system .
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I see my bad.

Mise you're outrageous.

 

[scy12]

You mean like jobs in the military?

Well one could say that the military can serve a purpose but then again the goverment can always create more jobs than there are needed. When the state does that it does seem similar to the communist effect. That is because companies rarely do it.

 

[RedRalph]

Actualy, red, I get more complimentary PMs than you think. So, since you think so well of me I think I will keep it - I have already been complemented on it a few times so I like it.

Hey you dont need to tell me, see MY sig

 

[nonconformist]

what? people should do the work that is available and needed, not the work they'd like to do?
in the land of the free?

This capitalism sounds more and more like Soviet Communism mevery time I hear about it.

You don't do the job you want or are trained to do, you do the job you have to, under penalty.