Clown Car V: 2020 version!

[Sommerswerd]

The GOP going full Ouroboros.

It must be difficult, they have to thread the exactly right line between full on crazy "democracy does not work" and "miss a day of work to support the GOP in democracy". Get it wrong once and you go straight from "savour of the republic" to "enemy operative".

Since its all fixed and rigged by the Democrats in conjunction with the Deep State, North Korea, Hugo Chavez, Dominion software and Burisma... there's no point in Republicans voting, since the result is predetermined by The Democrats anyway.

Republican voters are starting to connect all the dots of the Massive Cheeting conspiracy and taking it to its ultimate logical conclusion. Its all a gigantic conspiracy against Republicans, and everyone is in on it, including Republicans... so their votes don't matter... so they should boycott the elections in protest.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Furthermore, tens of millions of americans regularly cheet massively by voting democrat!

 

[Sommerswerd]

Roger Stone Says North Korean Boats Delivered Ballots Through Maine Harbor As Trump Boosts Fraud Claims

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So a guy who quite literally was just released from jail after being pardoned for lying says: "I just learned of absolute incontrovertible evidence of North Korean boats delivering ballots..."

I don't think he gets what "incontrovertible" means... Dude is literally a convict for lying... nothing he says is incontrovertible.

a North Korean boat lmfao

Massive Cheeting

 

[Samson]

So a guy who quite literally was just released from jail after being pardoned for lying says: "I just learned of absolute incontrovertible evidence of North Korean boats delivering ballots..."

I don't think he gets what "incontrovertible" means... Dude is literally a convict for lying... nothing he says is incontrovertible.Massive Cheeting

I mean, the proof he does not know the meaning of words are right in his statement:

absolute incontrovertible evidence of North Korean boats delivering ballots through a harbor in Maine, the state of Maine," Stone said. "If this checks out

And of course, if you wanted some fake ballots in america, in what world would you get them from North Korea?

 

[Sommerswerd]

I mean, the proof he does not know the meaning of words are right in his statement:

And of course, if you wanted some fake ballots in america, in what world would you get them from North Korea?

Right, the weasel words give him away, even putting aside the glaringly obvious fact that he is a convicted liar.

The even funnier part, is that we have plenty of mail-in/absentee ballots that are regularly shipped in by voters overseas, including from members of the military, embassies etc., so even assuming someone saw a ship arriving from Asia with ballots onboard, that wouldn't even be anything suspicious or out of the ordinary, let alone "incontivertible evidence" of fraud or foreign tampering.

 

[Samson]

Right, the weasel words give him away, even putting aside the glaringly obvious fact that he is a convicted liar.

The even funnier part, is that we have plenty of ballots that are regularly shipped in by voters overseas, including from members of the military, embassies etc., so even assuming someone saw a ship arriving from Asia with ballots onboard, that wouldn't even be anything suspicious or out of the ordinary, let alone "incontivertible evidence" of fraud or foreign tampering.

So if they were coming from Korea, they were probably for Trump?

 

[Kyriakos]

Piratical ballots from NK at least sounds more interesting than russian FB ads.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Piratical ballots from NK at least sounds more interesting than russian FB ads.

North Korean pirates stole the election for Biden bwahahaha I can just picture them now with their peg-legs, eye patches and hats with the jolly roger logos on them. Arrgh mateys! Shiver me timbers!

So if they were coming from Korea, they were probably for Trump?

Massive Cheeting.

Funnier still, is the fact that ships are regularly registered in countries that are different from the ports that they ordinarily operate out, in order to take advantage of all kinds of loopholes in shipping laws, tax laws and labour laws, and container ships regularly stop for pickups in multiple ports en route to their various destinations.

So even if we assumed, just for the fun of it, that someone saw some boat arriving from Asia, even one flying Korean flags or having Korean symbols on the hull, that was carrying absentee ballots from American voters in Asia, that still wouldn't be evidence in the slightest of Roger Stone is alleging, ie a North Korean vote fraud plot to help Biden win.

But I guess when you are tailoring a message for conspiracy theorists, the more unnecessarily convoluted and fantastical you make it, ironically, the more believable it sounds to them.

 

[Gori the Grey]

And of course, if you wanted some fake ballots in america, in what world would you get them from North Korea?

I think this may actually tell us something important. There was an important article about Trump titled "The Cruelty is the Point." I think regarding these matters, one could write a similar article "The Implausibility is the Point." One of the satisfactions in believing a conspiracy theory must be precisely the very implausibility of the theory. It's a marker of how much you are in the know that you know this to be the case even despite how implausible it seems on the surface. Outsiders think "why wouldn't you at least come up with something plausible?" But it's the job of a conspiracy theorist precisely to invent a theory that is implausible. (Ironically--as Sommer points out right above this.)

 

[Sommerswerd]

I think this may actually tell us something important. There was an important article about Trump titled "The Cruelty is the Point." I think regarding these matters, one could write a similar article "The Implausibility is the Point." One of the satisfactions in believing a conspiracy theory must be precisely the very implausibility of the theory. It's a marker of how much you are in the know that you know this to be the case even despite how implausible it seems on the surface. Outsiders think "why wouldn't you at least come up with something plausible?" But it's the job of a conspiracy theorist precisely to invent a theory that is implausible.

Ha! I said it first!

But I guess when you are tailoring a message for conspiracy theorists, the more unnecessarily convoluted and fantastical you make it, ironically, the more believable it sounds to them.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Ha! I said it first!

Yeah, I went and added an acknowledgement of that to my post.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Yeah, I went and added an acknowledgement of that to my post.

Awww... I thought you were gonna fight me about getting your post in before I did my final edit... and then we would have a big fight about it

In other words... accuse me of Massive Cheeting

 

[Gori the Grey]

All I'll say is that my point's a little different than yours. Not that the theory is more believable per se, but more appealing to believe in.

 

[AmazonQueen]

Talking of conspiracies here is Trump's latest take on QAnon.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/poli...s-by-praising-qanon/ar-BB1bBE34?ocid=msedgntp

 

[Sommerswerd]

All I'll say is that my point's a little different than yours. Not that the theory is more believable per se, but more appealing to believe in.

Well yes I agree that there is more than one moving part involved. At least one is the mind/intention/goal of the person who weaves the tale, while another is the mind/desire of the person believing the tale. All I really addressed is what is necessary from the perspective of the one peddling the conspiracy to others. You have to make it as preposterous as possible to hook your marks.

You also addressed what is desired from the perspective of the marks themselves. They aren't attracted to the plain ordinary bait... its got to have wings and feathers and colorful paint and flashing lights or they can't be bothered. Plausible doesn't give them the requisite feelsies, ie that they have something special and different that others don't have.

 

[Kyriakos]

Didn't Trump say something to WH guests, to the tone of "see you in 4 years?".
I mean, not that it matters, cause he is obviously leaving. But it would be good for him to finally officially declare he is leaving (despite that not being needed for him to leave).

As for him returning in 4 years, I think it is very unlikely he will run again then. He may feel like it now, but 3 years (or when the primary bids start) is a really long time to be doing nothing.

 

[Samson]

Talking of conspiracies here is Trump's latest take on QAnon.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/poli...s-by-praising-qanon/ar-BB1bBE34?ocid=msedgntp

I reckon there is every chance trump will win the Senate for the democrats if he takes that to actual campaign events, and when have his campaign events not just been his stream of consciousness?

Spoiler Boring probabilities :

If that is true, the chance of both Ossoff and Warnock winning should be higher than if they were independent events, ie. P(Ossoff) * P(Warnock) > P(Ossoff and Warnock). From here, substituting true P for P indicated by the odds P(Ossoff) = 39.06% and P(Warnock) = 42.37%, Product = 16.54% and P(Senate Tie = Ossoff and Warnock) = 24.39%. So it is, but only by 8%.

So this means the markets think the "Trump will mess it up effect", plus I guess all the other party based uncertainty rather than the candidate based uncertainty, only contributes 8% of the uncertainty. If you thought that effect was underpriced (which I do) and you wanted to gamble (which I do not) you would hedge bets on Perdue and Loeffler with a bet on a Senate Tie. And I do not gamble, so do not listen to me.

 

[Kyriakos]

 

[Gori the Grey]

Though really it's only one of them trying to get things up.

Vote total! Vote total, I mean! What did you think I was saying?

 

[Sommerswerd]

That went completely over my head. I read it like 6 times and still didn't get it. It wasn't until I read @Gori the Grey 's post that it finally hit me