aelf
The mantra one more time, eh?
Why is a fact a mantra? If you cant get a simple point into yer head, I gotta keep repeating it until you actually address it, you dont ... as I'll show now.
I was referring to this:
There is plenty to say. For starters, there are still physical limits to how much resources there are.
So what? So what? Thats my next mantra... Finite resources dont mean we aren't capable of living far beyond local environmental conditions. We're doing it now...
And we require A LOT at this rate, as well as many varieties of them at the same time.
And those needs are being met much easier because of modern technology and trade. Past civilizations collapsing due to local environmental limitations didn't have our advantages and could not live far beyond local environmental conditions. You keep calling this a mantra but you keep ignoring it and arguing against yer conveniently idiotic strawmen.
How do we replace them quickly enough, even with new discoveries and innovations? If we can't, it means we are simply stripping the earth of resources - i.e. pillaging.
Oh, "pillaging" now means using resources?
Nothing you've said refutes my "mantra". You're just telling me we're gonna run out of resources. Like I said we had infinite resources? No, I said modern technology and trade allows for civilizations to live far beyond their local environmental limits. Much moreso than past civilizations that collapsed because they lacked the trade/resources to overcome an environmental deficit. For all this "mantra" nonsense, you still dont know what I said.
These facts are so obvious that I'm amazed at how many dreamers there are in this world who don't want to admit this. I suppose people like to live in denial. And you have not answered the point about the earth being ultimately a single locality. It's okay, I know there isn't any response that you can give.
Where did I say we have unlimited resources? Oh, I'm ignoring obvious "facts" - your facts aint relevant to what I said. Here's what I said:
Modern technology and trade allows civilizations to live far beyond the limits imposed by the local environment, luxuries many past civilizations lacked.
And yer response?
Resources are limited and being pillaged
boo hoo, the "pillaging" of those resources allow civilizations to live far beyond the local environmental limits. You even said it yerself, so what are you arguing about?
Also, don't be fooled into thinking that nature isn't a resource. Destroying nature is destroying our life support.
Just one cliche after the next
That, and what I said about merely moving resources from one place to another in the case of desert cities - you aren't actually creating resources in doing so.
So what (even if true, desert cities dont develop resources?). Seriously, what are you arguing against? I said the movement of those resources allows desert cities to live far beyond their local environmental limits. You seem to disagree but then all you do is repeat my explanation as to why they live beyond those limits now. Yeah, trade allows people to live in more hostile environments. I know that, I said it already and you're just repeating it.
Creating resources is impossible anytime soon anyway; you can only find more, and that is still subject to actual physical limits.
Thats nice, and still irrelevant to what I said. Do you understand that? And whether or not we can create resources (the human mind is our greatest resource), the resources are there to be "pillaged". We dont have to create them, we have to create ways of exploiting them. Some day we'll be using the Sun much more for energy, even the wind.
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