Columbia Univ. thugs recieve "slap on wrist"

[Bozo Erectus]

While I dont have any problem with the idea of the borders being patrolled, I think it should be done by highly trained professional government agents, not people who hate Mexicans so much, theyre willing to donate their free time to keeping them out of the country.

 

[Paradigne]

Volunteering personal time to help a government organization is fascist?

I guess the PTA is as well.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Volunteering personal time to help a government organization is fascist?

Who said anything about fascism? The real story with this issue isnt Minutemen, whether theyre good or bad, whether they should be allowed to speak (of course they should). The core of the issue is that the US government refuses to police its borders. This Minuteman stuff is just a distraction from that.

 

[skadistic]

The Minutemen are a bunch of idiots whose organization is founded on bigotry and hypocrisy. I condone all efforts to marginalize them.

How exactly are they idiots, bigots and hypocrits? Or are you just throwing out names because you don't not what your talking about. Atleast you weren't fool enough to call them racists.

 

[Nobody]

arnt the minute men those guys who said "the british are coming"

 

[skadistic]

That was Paul Revier and his 'two if by sea'. The minute men were the militias that could be ready in a minute. These are the "Minute Man Project".

 

[Leonel]

While I dont have any problem with the idea of the borders being patrolled, I think it should be done by highly trained professional government agents, not people who hate Mexicans so much, theyre willing to donate their free time to keeping them out of the country.

Who said they hated Mexican's?

Seriously I'd like to know where that came from 'cause I've heard of all sorts of races joining up and people associated with racist organizations too.

 

[Irish Caesar]

"Dang smart'ums...learnin' never put food on the table!"

There's plenty of conservative twits in the Ivy leagues as well, I think we just don't hear about them as much.

Yeah, that was more a tongue-in-cheek sort of thing to say. Although I think of the Ivy League as a mannequin in a sweet tux, I'm not one to sit and moan about the liberal universities and whatnot.

Freedom of speech is one thing, but hate-speech is something different. It's actually illegal in most of Europe, but nowadays it's rarely oppressed enough. It seems that corporate capitalism (which is more and more powerful) goes hand in hand with right wing spamming, which kind of surprises me. I thought capital does not acknowledge any borders, whether they are based on countries, people or their belief.

Anyways, I don't know why people are so afraid to label groups like Minuteman with fascist tag. Now I don't claim that minuteman are really enough off right-wing to call them fascist, but students from Columbia apparently thought so, and in this case I think they had a moral right to warn audience about the case.

It seems you don't understand the Minuteman Project. I'm not familiar with anything hate-speech about them. Of course, hate-speech is a stupid term anyway with no real meaning...

Anyway, isn't it a tad ironic that Columbia students resorted to vigilante "justice" to criticize those who they saw as vigilantes?

 

[CaptainF]

Some people just can't understand Free-speech.

Though I don't like the minuteman, I wouldn't stop what they're saying.

 

[skadistic]

Who said they hated Mexican's?

Seriously I'd like to know where that came from 'cause I've heard of all sorts of races joining up and people associated with racist organizations too.

They don't hate Mexicans. The even have legal Mexican imigrants in their numbers. They are against the open border and illegal aliens. They have gone after white euroillegals and gotten them deported.

 

[Masquerouge]

They have gone after white euroillegals and gotten them deported.

White euroillegals! Wow. Sounds scary.

/me checks his green card, just in case

 

[skadistic]

White euroillegals! Wow. Sounds scary.

/me checks his green card, just in case

I just like adding euro infront of stuff even when its gramaticly wrong. It makes thing sound sinister. Like eurobabe. It makes them sound extra naughty.

 

[Knowltok]

The Minutemen are a bunch of idiots whose organization is founded on bigotry and hypocrisy. I condone all efforts to marginalize them.

Death camps too?

 

[Trajan12]

Freedom of speech is one thing, but hate-speech is something different. It's actually illegal in most of Europe, but nowadays it's rarely oppressed enough. It seems that corporate capitalism (which is more and more powerful) goes hand in hand with right wing spamming, which kind of surprises me. I thought capital does not acknowledge any borders, whether they are based on countries, people or their belief.

Anyways, I don't know why people are so afraid to label groups like Minuteman with fascist tag. Now I don't claim that minuteman are really enough off right-wing to call them fascist, but students from Columbia apparently thought so, and in this case I think they had a moral right to warn audience about the case.

Show me an example of this "Hate speech" you speak of. Until then I'll continue believing that the Minutemen had their inalienable right to freedom of speech violated. Even if they were a hate organization, I'd say the same in defence of the Klan or Neo-Nazis.

 

[Bugfatty300]

Lots of ignorance on this thread. I thought I had covered these basic concepts on multiple occasions to the same people here. Maybe I have to repeat them again:

- The "Minute Man project" is not a militia nor is it a racist group.

- They do not try to police the borders.

- They are anti-illegal immigration, pro-secure borders. Not anti-Mexican.

- Their actions at the border are 100% legal.

 

[woody60707]

Everyone. This one point needs to be made very clear, and this is taken right form the top of the http://www.minutemanproject.com/ website they clearly say this.

"MMP has no affiliation with, nor will we accept any assistance by or interference from, separatists, racists, or supremacy groups."
Also The Minuteman Project membership is about 25% non-white and 55% women.

How much more clear can it.

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

Everyone. This one point needs to be made very clear, and this is taken right form the top of the http://www.minutemanproject.com/ website they clearly say this.

"MMP has no affiliation with, nor will we accept any assistance by or interference from, separatists, racists, or supremacy groups."
Also The Minuteman Project membership is about 25% non-white and 55% women.

How much more clear can it.

They're hypocrites because Canada and the United States are founded on 'illegal' immigration. And yes, they are bigots. Officially, perhaps not, but individual members certainly are bigots and racists.

 

[woody60707]

...And yes, they are bigots. Officially, perhaps not, but individual members certainly are bigots and racists.

Dude? Are you generalizing a whole group of people based on (in your own words) "individual members"?

As a side note, would that be called ironic or hypocritical. I always seem to mix up the usage.

 

[Leonel]

They don't hate Mexicans. The even have legal Mexican imigrants in their numbers. They are against the open border and illegal aliens. They have gone after white euroillegals and gotten them deported.

That's what I hear! I even tried looking for evidence that the Minuteman Project is racist and the most criminalizing (if you can call it that) I found was just something like 2 or 3 racists joining up, which obviously doesn't make an organization racist. Other than that, I just found a lot of name calling and nothing to back it up.

It's just really odd. Especially at Minutemen rallies where, assuming the statistics of 25% non-whites is accurate, there would be some non-whites there in support, even Mexican legal immigrants. Yet it seems to me that the opposition just doesn't want to listen or something else is going on.

 

[Bugfatty300]

They're hypocrites because Canada and the United States are founded on 'illegal' immigration.

For one thing, hypocrit shouldn't even be in your vocabulary especially when directed at someone esle. Second, one is not a hypocrit because of things that happened hundreds of years ago. Most likely, members of the minute man project did not illegally migrate here or anywhere else and most likely their ancestors didn't either. Nice try though.

TODAY. In 2007. Year of the pig, year 4704, whatever, Mexico and US are both sovereign and independent states. Both acknowlege each other as such and both acknowlege each others borders