Come again?

Thanks for that Margim. :lol: No, that was not what I was fishing for. If I saw the four horse man along with the giant locusts I think my views on the New Testament would become a little more reverent. :)
 
Iggy said:
I am surprised that some of the usual suspects have not come forward and posted.
They have been arrested!!! :D

Seriously, this topic wants NOT a theoritical answer(that refers in any way to the "scripts"), but a logically one:
So, how would you react if a person claiming that is JC, would appear somewhere in the world? Would you believe him? Would you wanted first to see/hear him from close?
We're talking about our age, 2004AD, don't forget that.
 
HamaticBabylon said:
Mankind is slowly moving away from all this Guidence the creator has given to us!

Humankind is slowly ditching the fairy tales we made up in ages past as we learn more.
 
CurtSibling said:
Humankind is slowly ditching the fairy tales we made up in ages past as we learn more.
Yes but as soon as we learn more the fairy tales are re-interpreted to adapt to the newly discovered fact. This is one of the reasons why people are turning away from the church and prefer to rely on faith. As someone who has not been on here that long I have learned a lot about why people either choose to or feel they know why they should believe in their gods.
I find the "faith" issue intriguing and am exploring it in this thead by asking for views on accepting a person's claim to be Christ without having proof. It is not easy to answer without expressing room for the possiblity of doubt.
 
Iggy said:
I find the "faith" issue intriguing and am exploring it in this thead by asking for views on accepting a person's claim to be Christ without having proof. It is not easy to answer without expressing room for the possiblity of doubt.

Indeed. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that it is impossible to answer without the possibility of doubt. Those who don't want to doubt are well and truly on the road to fundamentalism... Fundamentalism is essentially placing rules in the way of actually having to grapple with your faith.

Seriously, my faith is based on a gut-twisting 'instinct' (although thats probably an inadequate word) that speaks to me in a way more than adrenaline would. I guess there are all sorts of scientific names and theories you could come up with for what it might be, but there are some points in my life that have been profoundly influenced by a sense of God. If someone showed up claiming to be God, I would presume that same gut sense would permeate their presence.

Non of this means I don't doubt. I do. I've spent nights grappling over whether Jesus could have existed. I've had to acknowledge the high improbibility of God inhabiting the body of a human being. I've wondered if the Christianity we have today has any semblence of the faith Christ brought to the earth. I cetainly have had to deal with the fact that the bible seems to contradict itself.

Yet out of all of this, I still have this 'gut feeling' or sense of God's existence, which leads me to continue to find a way that all of those things above make sense...

So, if Jesus did show up, I'm pretty sure I'd know... if I didn't, then Jesus is something other than what I believe in, and I've got it wrong. I'd then have to eat humble pie, I guess. But for now, I'll stick with my gut.

Does that help at all?
 
Thanks Margim. That helps me to a degree, however obviously as an atheist I do not share your beliefs therefore I would ask you to indulge me and place yourself in my thought process to see where I am coming from. I hope to achieve this without wanting to insult your religious beliefs an order to get a reply (apart from being a genial fellow):

Believers who are thinkers (rather than followers) rely on faith / gut instinct etc.
Now bearing in mind I do not believe that a god is influencing this faith and gut instinct; what drives these intelligent people to reach this conclusion, whereas other intelligent people reach other religious or none conclusions?
Do some people have a need to have faith in a higher being through circumstance / environment / state of mind or upbringing?

The underlying messages of mainstream religions offer hope, good news and an ideal of a better world, so I can see why people would wish it to be true. Once you have subscribed to that way of thinking, it is against human nature to want to lose it by believing in the empty void of atheism, perhaps it is as simple as that?

It would be easy to answer that my premise is wrong - god exists - yah boo etc, but if possible your thoughts on this would be appreciated.
 
@Margim: that's an honest answer and a good explanation, my friend :goodjob:
We might have different ideas in the end, but I liked the process you followed to reach your final conclusion(and especially the fact that you leave "open" a small percentage that you might be wrong[I'm not saying that you are: that could be discussed in another topic]).
Very well indeed :goodjob:
 
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