Communism Is The Only Way Forward

[Stiefel]

Capitalism has had its shot and failed. People say that the Soviet Union failed, but that's just a load of poppycock. The Soviet Union ended because they spent way too much money on the military, which was ultimately the American's fault.
Capitalism is cruel and unjust. People say that capitalism works because they are bourgeois Americans with health insurance. But in the real world, the world of starving millions, famine, drought, war and murder, people cannot live their lives like they ought to able to, with a home, a real job, a good wage and a place to live.
Capitalism cannot grant people these things, because it's all about making money, and you need money to make money. Thus the people in the poorest parts of the world with little or no infrastructure cannot get the help that they need from capitalism, and the scarcity of resources leads inevitably to war, as it has done for centuries.
People say that Communism had its chance and failed. This is not true.
It has only just begun!

 

[Bast]

Capitalism has brought about imperialism, extreme poverty and rampant environmental destruction.

Only when the last tree has been cut down; Only when the last river has been poisoned; Only when the last fish has been caught; Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten.

Capitalism is about greed. It's about the love of money until we destroy ourselves and find that it's too late.

Communism in its purest form hasn't existed because of people's thirst for power. The USSR failed because of it's militarism and authoritarianism, not Communism. Russian people had much more equality and quality of life under the Communists than now.

 

[Tani Coyote]

I believe Communism to be inevitable at some point in the future, but I think it's a long way off. Capitalism must complete its evolution first before even Socialism could start. Capitalism provides goods based on demand the best; it should be allowed to run free for this reason.

When the supply/demand structure is more or less perfected, socialisation can begin. We're a long way off from that point though.

The Soviet Union ended because they spent way too much money on the military, which was ultimately the American's fault.

That's just evidence socialism needs to be ready to start EVERYWHERE before attempting it anywhere.

Therefore - wait a looooong time.

People say that capitalism works because they are bourgeois Americans with health insurance.

Sorry, but I stopped reading here because of this blatantly false statement.

Lots of poor people support capitalism out of their personal values. My father never collected welfare, never supported high taxes, never supported any form of fiscal liberalism, even when he was eating dirt and working 40 hours a week. He didn't become "bourgeiose" until what was it, two decades later, when I was like 10.

His values have remained the same; they are the same values every one of his ancestors had and has.

If only the super-wealthy supported capitalism, there'd be almost no support for it. People from all walks of life support capitalism, socialism, or something else. Money isn't the SOLE determining factor in your ideology; your personal values, above all, are.

Many upper-class people support more and more left-wing policies, and many socialists come from more-than-humble backgrounds. That poor = liberal and rich = conservative is bullcrap.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

I think it goes without saying how I feel.

 

[amadeus]

To say the Soviet Union was crushed under the weight of American defense spending was, is, and always will be, a canard. It wasn't the Soviet war economy that killed them, it was the total organization of the Soviet economy that did them in -- quotas, price controls, bread lines, mismanagement...

They could have spent el zilcherino in rubles on defense and it wouldn't have made a lick of difference.

 

[Tee Kay]

*Yawn* Having to choose between capitalism and communism is so 20th century.

 

[Arwon]

Come back when you've figured out how to make a centrally planned economy less environmentally damaging than a well-regulated mixed market one.

 

[Bast]

Come back when you've figured out how to make a centrally planned economy less environmentally damaging than a well-regulated mixed market one.

For one thing, environmental resources would be termed public equity. This means that everyone has a stake in them including biodiversity.

There will be limits and quotas in place for use of energy and resources. It won't be about how much electricity you can pay but you will be allocated with a certain amount of electricity on a household basis.

What this means is that just because you have money, it doesn't mean you can do whatever you want.

 

[Perfection]

What about Sharia?

 

[Tacitusitis]

Come back when you've figured out how to make a centrally planned economy less environmentally damaging than a well-regulated mixed market one.

According to certain American politicians, a well-regulated mixed market economy IS communism.

 

[Masada]

Pancasila Democracy according to the 1945 Constitution is where its at.

 

[Shadylookin]

If communism were so glorious they would have been able to support a military without any issues.

Communism is still subject to the laws of supply and demand, and bounded by the reality of limited resources.

 

[amadeus]

For one thing, environmental resources would be termed public equity.

Congratulations, you've just destroyed the environment.

There will be limits and quotas in place for use of energy and resources.

Romania under Ceausescu had similar laws. Romanians were allowed one 40-watt light bulb per apartment.

 

[Masada]

Romania under Ceausescu had similar laws. Romanians were allowed one 40-watt light bulb per apartment.

How many Romanians did it take to screw in a light bulb? A whole apartments worth!

 

[amadeus]

How many Romanians did it take to screw in a light bulb? A whole apartments worth!

Q. What did Romanians use before candles?

Spoiler :

A. Electricity.

 

[classical_hero]

Come back when you've figured out how to make a centrally planned economy less environmentally damaging than a well-regulated mixed market one.

The current problems most of the world had with the capitalistic system is that is was not well regulated like our system was when the crisis happened. Things got so much worse under those who did raise the banner of Communism.

 

[GenMarshall]

Communism is the only way to eliminate unemployment! Capitalism has failed.

 

[amadeus]

Communism is the only way to eliminate unemployment! Capitalism has failed.

What good is full employment if you are left to toil on a peasant farm? I'm sure medieval Europe had full employment too, because if you didn't work, you starved.

 

[elgarrick]

Communism is the only way to eliminate unemployment! Capitalism has failed.

Until then, have fun living in your parent's basement.

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Capitalism hasn't failed, because capitalism at it's core is just trade. If you're saying "trade has failed" then you're arguing against fact, which would make you slightly insane.

 

[plarq]

What good is full employment if you are left to toil on a peasant farm? I'm sure medieval Europe had full employment too, because if you didn't work, you starved.

You still starve even if you work, in case of bad harvest.