Communism vs Capitalism

[MWA]

The big battle of the ideologies! Let's have the representatives of each ideology clash together and then we'll see who wins!

I'll start: Communism is evil, and if you're a commie, you fail to learn from what history has tought us. Isn't that sad?

Throughout history capitalism has proven time and time again that it is much better than communism, and that's the only proof you need.

So this is a challenge to all the commies/socialists (yeah, like there's a difference!), tell me (and the other capitalists here) why communism is better. I'm betting you're not going to be able to make a valid argument, instead you'll just spew out some garbage mediocre outdated commie propaganda and whine about how capitalism is evil...

Let's see...


EDIT: Made the post politically correct.

 

[Dynamic Cow]

I'm betting you're not going to be able to make a vallid argument, instead you'll just spew out some garbage mediocre outdated commie propaganda and whine about how capitalism is evil...

like you do about communism.

 

[onejayhawk]

There was an excellent thread in History about the Soviet system. http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32548 Some may argue that the USSR was not communist, but it seems to be wha most people refer toas "communist."

J

 

[MWA]

like you do about communism.

No, I'm telling the truth. History backs up my claim, which makes it relevant instead of whining - unlike when commie's whine about capitalism.

 

[Dynamic Cow]

No, I'm telling the truth. History backs up my claim, which makes it relevant instead of whining - unlike when commie's whine about capitalism.

i have yet to see an argument from your side.

 

[MWA]

I made an argument: the historic argument. History has proven that capitalism is better. I'll be more spesific: East and west Germany after WW2, look how they turned out.

Capitalism won and you have yet to make a relevant post.

 

[Dynamic Cow]

*sigh* i see the indoctrination program still works then...

 

[MWA]

*sigh* Like I said: Commie's never make any relevant arguments, all they do instead is claiming their opponents have been brainwashed. With censorship they stick their heads in the sand and never listen to common sense.


*sigh* *sigh* *sigh*

 

[amadeus]

Dynamic - You mean you'd rather live in East Germany, Czechoslovokia, Poland, or Yugoslavia, than Austria, West Germany, France, or Italy?

 

[Homie]

To elaborate on MWA's "history argument":
In virtually all the countries that have had a communist government have wound up with some dictator leading the country slowly to financial ruin and oppression of freedom of speech. Soviet - Stalin, China - Mao, North-Korea - don't remember his name, Cuba - Fidel.

Cuba is doing allright financially but that is because they have adopted capitalist way of running the economy, they have become highly commercial.

And also I'd like anti-capitalists/pro-communist/socialists to rebute MWA's argument on East/West-Germany, and I'd like to add North- and -South-Korea to the list. Who lives in poverty and who lives quite well-off out of those 2 countries?

 

[Sultan Bhargash]

Neither communism nor Adam Smith capitalism has ever been successfully implemented anywhere.

In what we call "communism" or "capitalism" it ends up being a top-heavy, insiders getting away with the wealth scenario.

The difference between the two systems as they have been implemented is that "capitalism" has a bigger resource base, better distribution of wealth, and incredibly succesful PR. Also since most people are interested in themselves and not altruism, you end up needing heavy handed dictatorship to keep "communism" working and you have to round up everybody who wants to try and get ahead, whereas for capitalism to work you just need the police to round up the poor people every now and again while everyone else get's their little bit and has a laugh about it.

 

[onejayhawk]

Originally posted by Dynamic Cow
*sigh* i see the indoctrination program still works then...

Spam Spam. Spam. Spam. Baked beans. Spam. Spam. and Spam. Be glad AoA is not on line at the moment. Your avatar fits.

It would be nice to get Greadius notes on what the other side was liek when they opened Brandenburg Gate. As I understand it, some damage went back to WW II, still unrepaired.

J

 

[amadeus]

Originally posted by Homie

Cuba is doing allright financially but that is because they have adopted capitalist way of running the economy, they have become highly commercial.

The Soviet Union gave Cuba lots of aid to build up it's military and line Fidel's pockets (and whatever leftover went to infastructure.)

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, Cuba has floundered, and hasn't recovered since. The only time Cuba will ever advance is when Castro and his ilk have ceased to be.

 

[onejayhawk]

Originally posted by Sultan Bhargash
Neither communism nor Adam Smith capitalism has ever been successfully implemented anywhere.

In what we call "communism" or "capitalism" it ends up being a top-heavy, insiders getting away with the wealth scenario.

The difference between the two systems as they have been implemented is that "capitalism" has a bigger resource base, better distribution of wealth, and incredibly succesful PR. Also since most people are interested in themselves and not altruism, you end up needing heavy handed dictatorship to keep "communism" working and you have to round up everybody who wants to try and get ahead, whereas for capitalism to work you just need the police to round up the poor people every now and again while everyone else get's their little bit and has a laugh about it.

Cogent. Succinct. I liked it.

I might add that capitalism tends to encourage flexibility, which in turn encourages innovation.

J

 

[Homie]

Akka, stick up for your ideology and rebuke my arguments. This is no fun when all we've seen is spam from the opposing side, you usually have at least some almost valid arguments.

 

[Homie]

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, Cuba has floundered, and hasn't recovered since. The only time Cuba will ever advance is when Castro and his ilk have ceased to be.

I thought Cuba did OK now, financially that is, am I wrong?

 

[Sultan Bhargash]

Thanks for the favorable review J. You are right, a huge advantage of capitalism-as-practised vs. communism-as-practised is that either the "job security" of communism or the potential for riches in capitalism encourages the adherents of the latter to get off their duff and try to do something different. Sometimes all this results in is the Big Mouth Billy Bass but sometimes it results in the technological, economic, ideological domination of the world

 

[Greadius]

... this thread is going to degenerate quickly when the pinko bloc gets out of school.

Anyway, in the modern world based on the last 100 years, matching up capitalism and communism as competing ideologies to duke it out is like placing a High School junior varsity football team against the Green Bay Packers.
And the Packers decide to run up the score...

 

[onejayhawk]

Originally posted by Greadius
... this thread is going to degenerate quickly when the pinko bloc gets out of school.

Anyway, in the modern world based on the last 100 years, matching up capitalism and communism as competing ideologies to duke it out is like placing a High School junior varsity football team against the Green Bay Packers.
And the Packers decide to run up the score...

Succinct. Pointed. Accurate. Cold. I LOVE it.

J

PS You might have gone with the Rams. Their offense is better.

 

[Hitro]

Originally posted by MWA
I'll start: Communism is evil, and if you're a commie, you suck. How do you like that?

Hey I'm not...

Great discussion start, by the way.

As a small serious contribution:
Communism (or what dictators called that to stay in power) has never been implemented in a rich country. No wonder that they couldn't compete with the rich ones...

Originally posted by Greadius
... this thread is going to degenerate quickly when the pinko bloc gets out of school.

School? On Sunday?
Or were you referring to our Israeli posters?